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Posted: 24 January 2009 at 6:53am

Assalamu alikum.

Abosait and Honzo postings:

Response: Yes, I meant Abi Hameed Muhammad bin Muhammad Ghazli (d. 505 AH). I do not have any book written by al-Ghazali al Saqqa.
Abosait, if you have read the Book of Al-Ghazali Ihya Ulumud deen you should have known that you are delaying your Friday prayer? Why then do you want to ask questions while you can answer them yourself?
Secondly you are an Indian. It is wonderful that I should have in library 'Hujjatul lahi Baalighah' by one of your respected scholars Shah Waliyullah Dahlwi and you do not keep it in your library. You should have understood what is meant by Ruhaniyya from that book. Please read and learn by yourself. Then you discuss on what you find interesting with others.
Now, do you have his other book, "Khilaf fi Khilafatul Rasheda or something with that name?" I have been looking for it, but I cannot find it. Thirdly have you come across a book titled, "Sunanu Waadiha' by AbdulMalik ibn Habeeb?
Now please answer my questions on the Friday prayer and stop dribbling about. I want you to enter paradise!
Friendship.

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Posted: 24 January 2009 at 11:34pm

Originally posted by Friendship

........ you are an Indian............... your respected scholars .......

Mufti Abdur-Rahim Lajpuri quoted in his book of Fatawa, the words of Qaree Mohammed Tayyib (the rector of the Darul-Uloom, Deoband) as,

“Religiously, the Ulema of Deoband are Muslims,

as a sect they belong to the Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaah,

by Madhhab they are Hanafee,

in conduct they are Sufis,

scholastically they are Maturidi and

in Sulook they are Chisti[1]- rather they combine all Sufi orders...

And in nisbat they are Deobandi.”[2]

“In essentials and beliefs, they (the Deobandis) follow Imam Abul Hasan Ash’aree and Imam Abu Mansoor Maturidi; and

in sub-principles Imam Abu Haneefah.

They are initiates of the Chistiyyah, Naqshbandiya, Qadriyah and Soharwardiyah Sufi orders.”[3]

Originally posted by Friendship

I want you to enter paradise!

Byreading the books of those Respected Indian Scholars described above?

Footnotess:[1] A Soofi order i.e. Tareeqah
[2] Quoted in Fatawa Rahimiyyah, (Eng. Trans.), vol.1, p.9-10 from Ulama-e-Deoband ka Maslak.
[3] Fatawa Rahimiyyah (Eng. Trans.), vol.1, p.58.

Edited by abosait - 25 January 2009 at 12:57am

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Posted: 25 January 2009 at 12:55am

Originally posted by Friendship

..........Abosait, if you have read the Book of Al-Ghazali...........

AL-GHAZALI, ABU HAMID (1058-1111).........Through his own religious experience, he worked to revive the faith of Islam by reconstructing the religious sciences upon the basis of Sufsm, and to give a theoretical foundation to the latter under the influence of philosophy. Thus Sufism came to be generally recognized in the Islamic community............http://www.ghazali.org/articles/gz1.htm

'... Even though al-Ghazzaali was very advanced in knowledge, he had little knowledge of hadeeth and its sciences, and he could not distinguish between sound ahaadeeth and weak ones.'

"..........This Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali, despite his brilliance, his devotion to Allaah, his knowledge of kalaam and philosophy, his asceticism and spiritual practices and his Sufism, ended up in a state of confusion and resorted to the path of those who claim to find out things through dreams and spiritual methods. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, part 4, p. 71). "

Originally posted by Friendship

I want you to enter paradise!

By reading the books written by al[Gazali reconstructing the religious sciences upon the basis of Sufsm ?

The sources of Islam are the Qur'an and Sunnah. Examples from the lives of the pious prdicessors are for us to follow. NOT that which is reconstructed upon the basis of Sufsm.

Edited by abosait - 25 January 2009 at 6:39am

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Posted: 25 January 2009 at 9:49pm

'... Even though al-Ghazzaali was very advanced in knowledge, he had little knowledge of hadeeth and its sciences, and he could not distinguish between sound ahaadeeth and weak ones.'

Here is response ,

Those Who Attack Imam Ghazali

some ppl dont understand difference between weak and fabricated hadith or i shld rather say it has been thought by some ppl to put weak and fabricated hadith in same category.

The femininity of the crescent, the masculinity of the cross. (Max Ernst, Men shall know nothing of this.)

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Posted: 26 January 2009 at 9:13pm

Mufti Abdur-Rahim Lajpuri quoted in his book of Fatawa, the words of Qaree Mohammed Tayyib (the rector of the Darul-Uloom, Deoband) as,

“Religiously, the Ulema of Deoband are Muslims,

as a sect they belong to the Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaah,

by Madhhab they are Hanafee,

in conduct they are Sufis,

scholastically they are Maturidi and

in Sulook they are Chisti[1]- rather they combine all Sufi orders...

And in nisbat they are Deobandi.”[2]

“In essentials and beliefs, they (the Deobandis) follow Imam Abul Hasan Ash’aree and Imam Abu Mansoor Maturidi; and

in sub-principles Imam Abu Haneefah.

They are initiates of the Chistiyyah, Naqshbandiya, Qadriyah and Soharwardiyah Sufi orders.”[3]

so u r deobandi, but by ur posts u seem to be more inspired by Ahl-e-hadith (salafi wanabi group) of indian subcontinent.

The femininity of the crescent, the masculinity of the cross. (Max Ernst, Men shall know nothing of this.)

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Posted: 19 February 2009 at 2:26am

Originally posted by Honzo

so u r deobandi,

Please correct your sentence to read ".........u were deobandi..........."

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Posted: 04 May 2010 at 8:46am

Originally posted by Honzo

Here is response ,

Those Who Attack Imam Ghazali

An interesting quote from that link:

"......he gave up the entirety of his worldly estate .......... and followed the way of renunciation and solitude.........."

Please tell me where the Qur'an or Hadith recomends the way of renunciation and solitude

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Friendship Senior Member Joined: 24 August 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 883	Posted: 24 January 2009 at 6:53am
	Assalamu alikum. Abosait and Honzo postings: Response: Yes, I meant Abi Hameed Muhammad bin Muhammad Ghazli (d. 505 AH). I do not have any book written by al-Ghazali al Saqqa. Abosait, if you have read the Book of Al-Ghazali Ihya Ulumud deen you should have known that you are delaying your Friday prayer? Why then do you want to ask questions while you can answer them yourself? Secondly you are an Indian. It is wonderful that I should have in library 'Hujjatul lahi Baalighah' by one of your respected scholars Shah Waliyullah Dahlwi and you do not keep it in your library. You should have understood what is meant by Ruhaniyya from that book. Please read and learn by yourself. Then you discuss on what you find interesting with others. Now, do you have his other book, "Khilaf fi Khilafatul Rasheda or something with that name?" I have been looking for it, but I cannot find it. Thirdly have you come across a book titled, "Sunanu Waadiha' by AbdulMalik ibn Habeeb? Now please answer my questions on the Friday prayer and stop dribbling about. I want you to enter paradise! Friendship.
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abosait Senior Member Joined: 05 November 2008 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 375	Posted: 24 January 2009 at 11:34pm
	*Originally posted by Friendship* ........ you are an Indian............... your respected scholars ....... Mufti Abdur-Rahim Lajpuri quoted in his book of Fatawa, the words of Qaree Mohammed Tayyib (the rector of the Darul-Uloom, Deoband) as, “Religiously, the Ulema of Deoband are Muslims, as a sect they belong to the Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaah, by Madhhab they are Hanafee, in conduct they are Sufis, scholastically they are Maturidi and in Sulook they are Chisti[1]- rather they combine all Sufi orders... And in nisbat they are Deobandi.”[2] “In essentials and beliefs, they (the Deobandis) follow Imam Abul Hasan Ash’aree and Imam Abu Mansoor Maturidi; and in sub-principles Imam Abu Haneefah. They are initiates of the Chistiyyah, Naqshbandiya, Qadriyah and Soharwardiyah Sufi orders.”[3] *Originally posted by Friendship* I want you to enter paradise! Byreading the books of those Respected Indian Scholars described above? Footnotess:[1] A Soofi order i.e. Tareeqah [2] Quoted in Fatawa Rahimiyyah, (Eng. Trans.), vol.1, p.9-10 from Ulama-e-Deoband ka Maslak. [3] Fatawa Rahimiyyah (Eng. Trans.), vol.1, p.58. Edited by abosait - 25 January 2009 at 12:57am
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abosait Senior Member Joined: 05 November 2008 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 375	Posted: 25 January 2009 at 12:55am
	*Originally posted by Friendship* ..........Abosait, if you have read the Book of Al-Ghazali........... AL-GHAZALI, ABU HAMID (1058-1111).........Through his own religious experience, he worked to revive the faith of Islam by reconstructing the religious sciences upon the basis of Sufsm, and to give a theoretical foundation to the latter under the influence of philosophy. Thus Sufism came to be generally recognized in the Islamic community............http://www.ghazali.org/articles/gz1.htm '... Even though al-Ghazzaali was very advanced in knowledge, he had little knowledge of hadeeth and its sciences, and he could not distinguish between sound ahaadeeth and weak ones.' "..........This Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali, despite his brilliance, his devotion to Allaah, his knowledge of kalaam and philosophy, his asceticism and spiritual practices and his Sufism, ended up in a state of confusion and resorted to the path of those who claim to find out things through dreams and spiritual methods. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, part 4, p. 71). " *Originally posted by Friendship* I want you to enter paradise! By reading the books written by al[Gazali reconstructing the religious sciences upon the basis of Sufsm ? The sources of Islam are the Qur'an and Sunnah. Examples from the lives of the pious prdicessors are for us to follow. NOT that which is reconstructed upon the basis of Sufsm. Edited by abosait - 25 January 2009 at 6:39am
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Honzo Groupie Joined: 01 January 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 76	Posted: 25 January 2009 at 9:49pm
	'... Even though al-Ghazzaali was very advanced in knowledge, he had little knowledge of hadeeth and its sciences, and he could not distinguish between sound ahaadeeth and weak ones.' "..........This Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali, despite his brilliance, his devotion to Allaah, his knowledge of kalaam and philosophy, his asceticism and spiritual practices and his Sufism, ended up in a state of confusion and resorted to the path of those who claim to find out things through dreams and spiritual methods. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, part 4, p. 71). " Here is response , Those Who Attack Imam Ghazali some ppl dont understand difference between weak and fabricated hadith or i shld rather say it has been thought by some ppl to put weak and fabricated hadith in same category.
	The femininity of the crescent, the masculinity of the cross. (Max Ernst, Men shall know nothing of this.)
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Honzo Groupie Joined: 01 January 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 76	Posted: 26 January 2009 at 9:13pm
	Mufti Abdur-Rahim Lajpuri quoted in his book of Fatawa, the words of Qaree Mohammed Tayyib (the rector of the Darul-Uloom, Deoband) as, “Religiously, the Ulema of Deoband are Muslims, as a sect they belong to the Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaah, by Madhhab they are Hanafee, in conduct they are Sufis, scholastically they are Maturidi and in Sulook they are Chisti[1]- rather they combine all Sufi orders... And in nisbat they are Deobandi.”[2] “In essentials and beliefs, they (the Deobandis) follow Imam Abul Hasan Ash’aree and Imam Abu Mansoor Maturidi; and in sub-principles Imam Abu Haneefah. They are initiates of the Chistiyyah, Naqshbandiya, Qadriyah and Soharwardiyah Sufi orders.”[3] so u r deobandi, but by ur posts u seem to be more inspired by Ahl-e-hadith (salafi wanabi group) of indian subcontinent.
	The femininity of the crescent, the masculinity of the cross. (Max Ernst, Men shall know nothing of this.)
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abosait Senior Member Joined: 05 November 2008 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 375	Posted: 19 February 2009 at 2:26am
	*Originally posted by Honzo* so u r deobandi, Please correct your sentence to read ".........u were deobandi..........."
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abosait Senior Member Joined: 05 November 2008 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 375	Posted: 04 May 2010 at 8:46am
	*Originally posted by Honzo* Here is response , Those Who Attack Imam Ghazali An interesting quote from that link: "......he gave up the entirety of his worldly estate .......... and followed the way of renunciation and solitude.........." Please tell me where the Qur'an or Hadith recomends the way of renunciation and solitude
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