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    Posted: 05 January 2009 at 12:06am

Bringing the Arab-Israeli War Home



If America were blessed with a noninterventionist foreign policy, we could all thank Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert for giving President-elect Barack Obama a thoroughgoing lesson in the absolute irrelevancy of Israel and Palestine to the national interests of the United States. More than a week into Israel's invasion of Gaza, America is still alive and kicking and none of our citizens are dead, which is the way it should be, as this is their religious war and not ours. If stubborn noninterventionism were our creed – as the Founders intended – the Gaza war could continue for two more days or two more months and we could simply shrug and mutter "Who cares?" America could simply go on its way, rebuilding its economy and marveling over the madness of two religions fighting to the death over a barren sandpit at the eastern end of the Mediterranean.

Unfortunately, America today is run by a political and media elite that is addicted to intervention. This would be bad enough if these men and women had the brains to intervene and produce a result that benefits U.S. interests, but they are not. They are instead – despite their Ivy League diplomas – uneducated and naïve people who still live in the Cold War, foolishly believing that America is the boss of a strong Western/NATO community (which is now in its death throes on Afghanistan's plains); that other nations are eager to do America's dirty work; and, most fatally of all, that the national security interests of the United States and Israel are identical.

There should be no mistake among Americans about what is going on in Gaza. Although Israel has billed its invasion as an attempt to destroy Hamas and thereby protect Israelis, its main goal is to ensure that Obama is tied as tight as Gulliver to the status quo of U.S. foreign policy in the Muslim world. In addition to hurting Hamas, Israel's invasion of Gaza was designed to and has successfully underscored the salience of Osama bin Laden's now 12-plus-year-old message to the Muslim world:

  • First, that the United States – under Republicans or Democrats – will allow Israel to do anything it pleases in regard to starving and bombing the Palestinians. This has been underlined for Muslims by the words of President George W. Bush, the silence of President-elect Obama, and, according to the Jerusalem Post, by the blame-it-all-on-the-Palestinians visits of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, New York Congressman Gary Ackerman, and leaders of major U.S. Jewish organizations.
  • Second, that the ruling Muslim regimes in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and elsewhere are impotent "agents" of the Zionists and Crusaders and will do nothing to protect Muslims when they are attacked by the U.S.-led West, be those attacks in Palestine, Pakistan, Iraq, or Afghanistan. "[The] failure of the Arab foreign ministers at their meeting in Cairo to take any position to confront the continuing Israeli aggression against the Gaza Strip," explains the independent and influential UK-based Arabic daily Al-Quds al-Arabi, "confirms the theory that says the Israeli aggression has come as a result of coordination and the blessing of influential Arab states, especially Egypt and Saudi Arabia."
  • Third, that Muslims are regarded by the West as subhumans, and their blood, lives, and children are – for America, Israel, and Europe – worthless and expendable. The Gaza score to date will indelibly make this point across the Islamic world: to date, 500 dead and 2,300 wounded Palestinians and less than 10 dead Israelis. As Pakistan's Frontier Post has said, the West silently watches as "Israel is set to starve the Palestinian Muslims into nonexistence. … No respect for Muslim life! Muslim blood is cheaper than water!"

After the Gaza invasion, Israel will have accomplished two vital goals. It will have reenergized Hamas, which will in turn renew the suicide bombings inside Israel that allow America's Israel-firsters – including Obama's IDF-veteran chief of staff – to portray their country-of-first-allegiance as the poor, put-upon innocent. It will also have produced the end of whatever slim hope there was of an Arab-Israeli peace settlement over the course of Obama's term. What is likely to become known across the Islamic world as the "Gaza slaughter" will ensure the continued growth of the Sunni insurgency al-Qaeda leads and inspires. All told, Israeli leaders at the conclusion of the Gaza invasion will be able to more credibly quote President Bush and say that their "mission" has been accomplished.

Now, there is no reason for Americans to be angry at Israel. Hamas is a nagging military threat to Israel, and Israel's leaders can defend their citizens in the manner they deem appropriate. Indeed, had various U.S. governments abstained from continuously intervening in the Arab-Israeli conflict over the past 30 years, it may well have been long since settled and over – one way or another.

The American people should be livid, though, with their bipartisan political elite and the Israel-firsters at Commentary, the New York Times, National Review, the Weekly Standard, and the Washington Post, as well as that hive of anti-American U.S. citizens that fund and lead AIPAC, for involving them in this barbarous mess. At some point down the road, every U.S.-taxpayer-funded bomb, artillery shell, and bullet aimed at the Palestinians will yield Americans killed at the hands of al-Qaeda, its allies, or those it inspires in attacks launched in response to U.S. support for Israel. Those Americans will be killed because their political and media leaders – corrupted to the bone by AIPAC – have involved them in a religious war that threatens nothing vital to their country's principles or national security, their personal economic well-being, or their children's lives.

And worse is yet to come. Israel's Gaza invasion has produced an unusual number of public anti-Israel demonstrations by American Muslims around the United States. The 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war produced similar events, but the current, Gaza-focused demonstrations are angrier and larger in number. How long, one wonders, will it be before Israel's military actions lead to violent clashes in America?

If this occurs, Israel and its American supporters will have the insurance policy they desire above any other, one they are desperate to obtain before Israel takes harsh action – by forced deportation or other means – against its rapidly growing and radicalizing Arab population. Once the Arab-Israeli religious war has been brought into the United States and is producing blood in America's streets, the Israel-firsters will claim the carnage proves that secular America and theocratic Israel are in the same boat and facing the same enemies. Flogging this plausible but palpable lie, AIPAC-owned American leaders will consign this country to an unending war against Islam, the same catastrophe that is Israel's lot.

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Quote Servetus Replybullet Posted: 06 January 2009 at 10:18am

The brilliant and at times refreshingly controversial Michael Scheuer wrote (in blue):
 
“If America were blessed with a noninterventionist foreign policy, we could all thank Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert for giving President-elect Barack Obama a thoroughgoing lesson in the absolute irrelevancy of Israel and Palestine to the national interests of the United States.”
 
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“More than a week into Israel 's invasion of Gaza , America is still alive and kicking and none of our citizens are dead, which is the way it should be, as this is their religious war and not ours.”

I wouldn’t be too sure about that, because the statement fails to take into consideration two things. Not only that many Israelis (and, I use the term loosely, American foreign policy wonks) are so-called dual-citizens -having their feet in America and their heads in Tel Aviv and elsewhere- but also that the unacknowledged but de facto state-sponsored and state-supported religion of America, despite the fact that there isn’t supposed to be one, is, or at least seems to be, Zionism. Some US citizens might therefore be wounded or dead and, as long as Zionism is America’s de facto religion, it therefore and unfortunately is our religious war.
 
“If stubborn noninterventionism were our creed – as the Founders intended – the Gaza war could continue for two more days or two more months and we could simply shrug and mutter "Who cares?" America could simply go on its way, rebuilding its economy and marveling over the madness of two religions fighting to the death over a barren sandpit at the eastern end of the Mediterranean .”
 
[tongue-in-cheek mode on]

How unpatriotic!  That’s no way to describe the oil-rich holy land and its surroundings! There are more than two religions, or tribes, Judaism and Islam, Isaac and Ishmael, at war.  One must also remember the multi-racial, seemingly all-powerful, universal, or catholic, lower case ‘c,’ worshippers of mammon (or money). I think, for instance, that petroleum is tasty and delicious and that humans should be forever sacrificed upon its altars to keep it flowing. I predict, for instance, that after the Middle East has finally been made safe for Israeli hegemony and G.K. Chesterton’s “peace of petrol” has been realized, Rothschild Boulevard will extend from Tel Aviv to London and then, upon a vast extension bridge, over to Washington, D.C.  Just think!  There will be plenty of previously unemployed workers here in the States who will be gratefully employed in its maintenance. It will be like the public works projects of the New Deal era, only much, much better.
 
“Unfortunately, America today is run by a political and media elite that is addicted to intervention. This would be bad enough if these men and women had the brains to intervene and produce a result that benefits U.S. interests, but they are not. They are instead – despite their Ivy League diplomas – uneducated and naïve people who still live in the Cold War, foolishly believing that America is the boss of a strong Western/NATO community (which is now in its death throes on Afghanistan's plains); that other nations are eager to do America's dirty work; and, most fatally of all, that the national security interests of the United States and Israel are identical.”
 
Concerning that last sentence, if the interests of the two are not exactly identical, they are at best difficult if not impossible to disentangle.  "We are all Israelis now."  Except, of course, those Gentiles who might want to make awliyah and become active, voting citizens of democratic Israel
 
“The American people should be livid, though, with their bipartisan political elite and the Israel-firsters at Commentary, the New York Times, National Review, the Weekly Standard, and the Washington Post, as well as that hive of anti-American U.S. citizens that fund and lead AIPAC, for involving them in this barbarous mess.”


Hey, Michael, stop being an anti-clericalist wannabe French
Revolutionary. You left the CIA for a position at (Jesuit) Georgetown University , after all, and ought to know better than to be a neo-Jacobin. These are the high priests of America ’s state-sponsored religion, Zionism, and their wise and sagacious counsel ought always to be valued rather than reviled. Remember the masses and stop confusing them with your doctrinal rebellion and fitna mongering.
 
“And worse is yet to come. Israel 's Gaza invasion has produced an unusual number of public anti-Israel demonstrations by American Muslims around the United States .”
 
This is just proof of what Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes and David Horowitz, among others, have argued: that there are latent terrorist cells in America just waiting to misbehave and cause havoc in the streets. Never forget that the terrorists hate us for our freedom –the freedom, that is, that we exercise whenever we obtain the exclusive rights to their minerals and the deeds to their homes and vineyards. It seems to me that if our leaders had any sense, they would purge Detroit ’s Warren Ave post haste.  A State can ill-afford to pamper its malcontents with too many constitutional rights, a fact which the Patriot Act seems to acknowledge well enough.
 
“The 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war produced similar events, but the current, Gaza-focused demonstrations are angrier and larger in number. How long, one wonders, will it [be] before Israel 's military actions lead to violent clashes in America ?”
 
And when they do lead to violent clashes, water canons and a good, overwhelming dose of DARPA soundwaves ought to be turned upon the belligerents. That way, they will be brought safely –if reluctantly- back into the bleating, contented and I might add docile flock, or fold.  It seems to me that the only tolerance that anyone in America should have for revolutionary politics is for that historically thin margin which occurred between the signing of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitutional Convention and, of course, Irgun’s bombing of the King David Hotel.   
 
“Once the Arab-Israeli religious war has been brought into the United States and is producing blood in America's streets, the Israel-firsters will claim the carnage proves that secular America and theocratic Israel are in the same boat and facing the same enemies.”
 
They are in the same boat. They are facing the same enemies. Fortunately for Israel , it can piggy-back upon its giant if at times dumbstruck partner’s shoulders and exercise veto power in the UN Security Council.  In so doing, it can remain largely impervious to the same UN -the many tiresome and predictable resolutions of the General Assembly, at any rate- which assisted at its birth.
 
“Flogging this plausible but palpable lie, AIPAC-owned American leaders will consign this country to an unending war against Islam, the same catastrophe that is Israel 's lot.”
 
Oh ye of little faith! I suggest that you stop studying History and that you listen to a few more sermons by the
Rev. John Hagee and call us in the morning, after you have recovered.  Oh but wait, not John Hagee, the Protestant, but the more appropriately ultramontane, that is to say Catholic, upper-case ‘C,’ John Neuhaus might be in order.

 

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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 06 January 2009 at 11:06am
"...and, most fatally of all, that the national security interests of the United States and Israel are identical.”
 
"Concerning that last sentence, if the interests of the two are not exactly identical, they are at best difficult if not impossible to disentangle." 
 
If ever they are disentagled there will be a terrible blacklash against Isrealis and Jewish people in general.
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Quote Servetus Replybullet Posted: 06 January 2009 at 11:31am

Abe Foxman seems dismayed that some outspoken people are saying terribly mean things about Israel:

 

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052901.html

   

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but that he doesn't make anything the Arab neither Islamic world, the only thing that they make is to look and they are accomplices of the genocide of the PalestiniansClap
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Quote Servetus Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2009 at 4:48pm

I should add …

 

Abuayisha wrote: “If ever they [Israel’s and America’s interests] are disentangled there will be a terrible blacklash against Isrealis and Jewish people in general.”

 

I think that this is perceptive on your part.  Even though I would like to see the interests disentangled, I would definitely not like to see violent backlashes against Israelis and Jews in general, let me be clear on that score.

 

Interestingly enough, I just finished reading and can, with some reservations, recommend Hilaire Bellocs, “The Jews,” written by an establishment, though staunchly Roman Catholic, British historian in the ‘20’s, following the “Great War” (WWI) and during the rise of what was quite generally regarded, among the European cognoscentii, as “Jewish Bolshevism” in Russia and elsewhere.  Belloc quite fearlessly discussed, at times too repetitiously, the usual litany of grievances, or complaints, against Jews, such as the propensity to monopolize media and finance, including the credit markets (which made the book sound rather current to my Yankee ears), but wrote his book with the stated and avowed intention of warding off the very violence which he felt was possibly welling against the Jews in future.  He also roundly criticized his own, at the time predominantly Christian, English countrymen and women.  When I turned the final page, I realized that the thing he feared might happen in England occurred, instead, in Germany, and, as it turns out, with an earth-shattering vengeance.

 

Regarding the possible -though again I hope improbable- backlash against righteous Jewish people in general, wherever they may be, I am reminded of what some clever person rather tellingly said about Leon Trotsky (also known as Lev Bronstein, his Jewish name): “the Trotskys lead the revolutions, but the Bronsteins foot the bill.”  In other words, as I understand the statement, the average, law-abiding and justice-seeking Jews, the “Bronsteins,” pay, often unfortunately with their lives, for the sins or political indiscretions and even genius of some of the more powerful who rise up from among them, that is to say, the “Trotskys.”

 

For those who might be interested, here’s a link to Belloc’s book:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Jews-Hilaire-Belloc/dp/0317530011

 

Here is a far better analysis, from a later Jewish perspective, of the rise of especially European anti-Semitism (Arendt's chapter on the Dreyfus Affair alone is worth the price of admission):

 

http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Totalitarianism-Hannah-Arendt/dp/0156701537

 

 

Best regards,

 

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There is a 60 minutes segment that was aired on Jan. 25th in the U.S. on Israeli settlements in Gaza & the West Bank.  You can take immediate action by sending an email of support to the producers to air such segments in the future.  The producer is getting negative comments from anti-Arab/anti-Muslim groups on a daily basis. 

CLICK HERE TO WATCH & SEND NOTE: http://tinyurl.com/dctzsk

 
SUPPORT BOB SIMON OF CBS' "60 MINUTES" 
 
Your actions will ensure the future of truthful journalism Newsman under attack for his fair program on Palestine

On Jan. 25, Bob Simon of CBS' 60 Minutes asked a simple question: "Is Time Running Out for a Two-State Solution?" For one of the first times in mainstream broadcast media history, 60 Minutes aired an insightful, honest portrayal of the humiliation, hardships and travel restrictions Israel imposes upon Palestinians on a daily basis. 

Simon's segment showed the harsh reality on the ground in Palestine - a view most Americans never get to see. The segment highlighted the cruelties of the separation barrier, and the humiliation families undergo when the Israeli military appropriates their homes and keeps them under house arrest. He exposed the truth behind illegal settlements as part of a plan to expel Palestinians from their homeland. Viewers also got a glimpse of how Palestinians' freedom of movement is severely restricted because of numerous checkpoints.

Simon exhibited sheer bravery in bringing this story to his American public. But now he is under EXTREME ATTACK. The Unity Coalition for Israel and other Zionist groups have started a campaign to barrage CBS, Simon, his producer and advertisers with complaints and economic threats to boycott advertisers who support 60 Minutes and CBS. 

GET INVOLVED. YOUR ACTIONS ARE CRUCIAL TO THE SURVIVAL OF TRUTHFUL REPORTING.

We need to encourage CBS, Bob Simon and their colleagues to continue to report the truth. We also need to let their advertisers know how much we appreciate and want this kind of news coverage. 

Please call CBS, Bob Simon, his producer and each advertiser on this list and let them know how much you support Simon's segment. When talking with CBS, please request they produce similar truthful shows. If no one answers, leave a message. Remember to speak clearly and to remain calm and polite. 

Contact 60 Minutes by:

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b) Calling Senior Producer Robert Anderson: (212) 975-6977

c) Submitting a comment online by clicking here: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/ ... form.shtml and selecting 60 Minutes from the drop down menu.
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