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Quote Talib_Asadullah Replybullet Topic: Khilafah
    Posted: 04 January 2009 at 5:56pm
I wanted to provide a video link to get a discussion going. Then we could take it from there.

http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.info/info/english.php/contents_en/entry_378

check out the video about the conference.





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Quote Talib_Asadullah Replybullet Posted: 05 January 2009 at 5:39am
Do the Muslims know the signifigance of the Khilafah? Or is this just some ambigious thing thats not needed anymore? Its one of those,"that was 1400 years ago, we live in the 21st century now"?

If we as Muslims believe in the significance of the Sunnah and its vital importance, then you are saying you believe in the Khilafah and might not even know it.

First and foremost, Rasullah(salla allahu alahyi wa salaam) said, according to the hadith narrated in Sahih Muslim on the authority of ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar (ra) that the Prophet (saw) said:


[ ومن مات وليس في عنقه بيعة مات ميتة جاهلية]

“And whosoever dies without having a bay’ah upon his neck, he dies the death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).”

A bay'ah meaning, what we would call a plege of allegance; to a Khilafah!

The Prophet (saw) says in an authentic hadith narrated in Musnad Ahmad on the authority of Huthayfah ibn al-Yaman (r.a):

تَكُونُ النُّبُوَّةُ فِيكُمْ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ تَكُونَ ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ثُمَّ تَكُونُ خِلَافَةٌ عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ فَتَكُونُ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ تَكُونَ ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ] أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ثُمَّ تَكُونُ مُلْكًا عَاضًّا فَيَكُونُ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَكُونَ ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ثُمَّ تَكُونُ مُلْكًا جَبْرِيَّةً فَتَكُونُ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ أَنْ تَكُونَ ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ [أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ثُمَّ تَكُونُ خِلَافَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ثُمَّ سَكَت

“The Prophethood will last among you for as long as Allah wills, then Allah would take it away. Then it will be (followed by) a rightly-guided Khilafah upon the way of the Prophethood. It will remain for as long as Allah wills, then Allah would take it away. Then there will be a biting rule which will remain for as long as Allah wills, then He will lift it if He wills. Afterwards, there will be oppressive rule, and it will last for as long as Allah wills, then He will lift it if He wills. Then there will be a rightly-guided Khilafah upon the ways of the Prophethood, then he kept silent”







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Quote nothing Replybullet Posted: 05 January 2009 at 5:30pm
Originally posted by Talib_Asadullah

Do the Muslims know the signifigance of the Khilafah? Or is this just some ambigious thing thats not needed anymore? Its one of those,"that was 1400 years ago, we live in the 21st century now"?
 
But the Ayatollah in Iran is just that, albeit it is callled the Imamat - which is more inclined to spiritual leadership. But the sunnis always find ways to refuse it even when they are themselves outrightly incompetent in anything.
 
Ayatollahs don't live in luxury, neither is Ahmadinejad as Iranian president. Their live are much closer what the Sahabah were than the sunnis.
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Quote Talib_Asadullah Replybullet Posted: 05 January 2009 at 8:44pm
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Originally posted by Talib_Asadullah

Do the Muslims know the signifigance of the Khilafah? Or is this just some ambigious thing thats not needed anymore? Its one of those,"that was 1400 years ago, we live in the 21st century now"?
 
But the Ayatollah in Iran is just that, albeit it is callled the Imamat - which is more inclined to spiritual leadership. But the sunnis always find ways to refuse it even when they are themselves outrightly incompetent in anything.
 
Ayatollahs don't live in luxury, neither is Ahmadinejad as Iranian president. Their live are much closer what the Sahabah were than the sunnis.


مِنَ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا كُلُّ حِزْبٍ بِمَا
لَدَيْهِمْ فَرِحُونَ

"...Among those who have broken the unity of their faith and have become sects, each group delighting in but what they themselves hold [by way of tenets]."Surah Ar-Rum, Ayah 32

Allah or His Messenger(SAWS) never called the Muslims a sunni.. these are titles that the Muslims have put on eachother.. In clear contradiction to what Allah warns the Muslims against.  I give you the Sunnah, The Ahadith...Its your choice to reject.

"But we send message-bearers only as heralds of glad tidings and as warners - whereas those who are bent on denying the truth contend [against them] with fallacious arguments, so as to render void the truth thereby, and to make My messages and warnings a target of their mockery."Surah Kahf, Ayah 56

Assalamu Alaikum


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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 05 January 2009 at 10:12pm
What Taji Mustapha stated was on the money but how to get rid of the neocolonialism when there is so much wealth under Muslim lands?

Then the left over corruption from the colonial era  and messed up politicians and masses of slavish mentality to the old masters is a big big project!

I agree the war on terror is of course is war against the Caliphate of Afghanistan cuz those brothers elected Mulla Omar as their Amir ul momineen almost the Caliph and that was too much for the west............



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Cycle of Human Destiny: From Faith> Courage>Liberty>Abundance> Selfishness>Complacency>Apathy>Immorality>Bondage>back to Faith or Extinction...
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I agree the war on terror is of course is war against the Caliphate of Afghanistan cuz those brothers elected Mulla Omar as their Amir ul momineen almost the Caliph and that was too much for the west............

 
".......that was too much for the west............"  What, are you kidding? That was too much for the "East" also, not to mention Asia and Africa.
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Quote Saladin Replybullet Posted: 06 January 2009 at 8:48am
I'm no fan of Taliban or their ideology but I should say the Afghans under Taliban had at least limited rights and peace. No country besides Pakistan, UAE and Saudi recognised them or atleast gave them food or medicine when they needed it. But the World got pissed when stone statues were destroyed while neverminding the Afghans, women and children dying due to lack of food and medicine. Great as that was, the CoW invaded them and left them with no rights at all. Same in Iraq, Somalia and other countries.
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Quote Talib_Asadullah Replybullet Posted: 06 January 2009 at 2:02pm
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http://mondediplo.com/2008/06/04caliphate


Is this the opinion of Kufr?

Whether its a so called "fantasy" or not, its a duty of the Muslims to strive to this end.  Insha'Allah, Allah will reward those who strive for this in this life and the Next.

Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab(RadiAllahuAnhu): I heard Allah's Apostle(SallaAllahAlayhiWaSalaam) saying, "The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended. So whoever emigrated for worldly benefits or for a woman to marry, his emigration was for what he emigrated for."  (Sahih Bukhari(Rahimullah)Book #1, Hadith #1)



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Quote Talib_Asadullah Replybullet Posted: 06 January 2009 at 2:09pm
Originally posted by Sign*Reader

What Taji Mustapha stated was on the money but how to get rid of the neocolonialism when there is so much wealth under Muslim lands?

Then the left over corruption from the colonial era  and messed up politicians and masses of slavish mentality to the old masters is a big big project!

I agree the war on terror is of course is war against the Caliphate of Afghanistan cuz those brothers elected Mulla Omar as their Amir ul momineen almost the Caliph and that was too much for the west............



The solution to the "big project",etc. is Al-Qur'an and the Guidance and Wisdom there in. 

In regards to the Emirates, you find this is the recurring theme.  Any group of Muslims who bands together to forbid the wrong and enjoin the right and rule by the dicates of Islam i.e. Shari'ah... multiple hands gather against them to cripple that objective.  A recent example is the situation in Somalia.  Look up and read about the Union of Islamic Courts.  They brought order to Somalia through the Divine injuctions of Islam.  Ill try to find you some good information about it, Insha'Allah.
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