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    Posted: 01 January 2009 at 10:45am
 
 
 
Over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernemntal Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore. This new 231-page U.S. Senate Minority Report report -- updated from 2007’s groundbreaking report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming “consensus” -- features the skeptical voices of over 650 prominent international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC. (This entry is a summary of the U. S. Senate Minority Report)

Below is just a small selection of quotes and highlights from the updated 2008 Senate Minority Report featuring over 650 international scientists dissenting from man-made climate fears. The 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers. Note how many of these scientists have peer reviewed and published studies, are former IPCC members, are long term government scientists, there are even a couple of astronauts with scientific backgrounds. So the next time someone tells you that only crackpots deny that man is causing global warming print this out for them:

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical. “The main basis of the claim that man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface system” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet

“So far, real measurements give no ground for concern about a catastrophic future warming.” - Scientist Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, a chemical engineer at Abo Akademi University in Finland, author of 200 scientific publications and former Greenpeace member.

“Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time.” - Solar physicist Dr. Pal Brekke, senior advisor to the Norwegian Space Centre in Oslo. Brekke has published more than 40 peer-reviewed scientific articles on the sun and solar interaction with the Earth.

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“The Kyoto theorists have put the cart before the horse. It is global warming that triggers higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, not the other way round…A large number of critical documents submitted at the 1995 U.N. conference in Madrid vanished without a trace. As a result, the discussion was one-sided and heavily biased, and the U.N. declared global warming to be a scientific fact,” Andrei Kapitsa, a Russian geographer and Antarctic ice core researcher.

“Nature's regulatory instrument is water vapor: more carbon dioxide leads to less moisture in the air, keeping the overall GHG content in accord with the necessary balance conditions.” – Prominent Hungarian Physicist and environmental researcher Dr. Miklós Zágoni reversed his view of man-made warming and is now a skeptic. Zágoni was once Hungary’s most outspoken supporter of the Kyoto Protocol.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water and soil... I am doing a detailed assessment of the UN IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have distorted the science.” - South Afican Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed publications.

“All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead” - Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, served as staff physicist at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“Whatever the weather, it's not being caused by global warming. If anything, the climate may be starting into a cooling period.” Atmospheric scientist Dr. Art V. Douglas, former Chair of the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska, and is the author of numerous papers for peer-reviewed publications.

“But there is no falsifiable scientific basis whatever to assert this warming is caused by human-produced greenhouse gasses because current physical theory is too grossly inadequate to establish any cause at all.” - Chemist Dr. Patrick Frank, who has authored more than 50 peer-reviewed articles.

“The ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the Society's activities.” - Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt who flew on the Apollo 17 mission and formerly of the Norwegian Geological Survey and for the U.S. Geological Survey.

“Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the UN-IPCC….The global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the millennium…which is why ‘global warming’ is now called ‘climate change.’” - Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of Colorado.

“I have yet to see credible proof of carbon dioxide driving climate change, yet alone man-made CO2 driving it. The atmospheric hot-spot is missing and the ice core data refute this. When will we collectively awake from this deceptive delusion?” - Dr. G LeBlanc Smith, a retired Principal Research Scientist with Australia’s Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO).
 
 
 
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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 22 April 2010 at 8:04am
The www.globalwarminghoax.com is a hoax itself. We should listen to reputable climatologists and be careful about fossil-fuel funded lobbists creating conspiracy theories.

Climate change is real and we should apply the precautionary principle. Safety first!


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Quote Andalus Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2010 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by Matt Browne

The www.globalwarminghoax.com is a hoax itself. We should listen to reputable climatologists and be careful about fossil-fuel funded lobbists creating conspiracy theories.

Climate change is real and we should apply the precautionary principle. Safety first!


The point was not whether the site was a valid site, the point was the hoax of a "consensus" in favor of global warming enthusiasts. To dismiss the point because of an asserted claim about the site is a strawman. I love the cry of the ecolemming about following "experts". Yea.....J. Hansen and Gore are two wonderful authorties on the matter. I love when Hansens group is caught fudging data they appeal to "mistakes". Funny, their mistakes always seem to work in their favor. The only hoax going on here is the nasty ecolemming koolaid rational people are supposed to choke on while Obama and other crooks use this hoax to spread wealth and get rich with scams like the CCX (chicago carbon exchange) which is also well connected to Goldmans Sachs (which is supposed to be evil and in the corsshairs of Obama, nice to know behind the scenes they are actually sleeping with each other). Wake up. Global warming as defined by eco nuts and elitists is simply a scam to satisify a long held progressive wet dream and rip off productive nations and hard working people.
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Quote martha Replybullet Posted: 02 May 2010 at 5:35am
GLobal warming..true or false.

Isn't the US the world's largest poluter? Would that explain why America doesn't believe in global warming?

The world will end...it has been revealed.

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http://www.interfaith.org/forum/end-time-signs-the-holy-9968.htmlPROPHECIES FROM THE HOLY QUR'AN:

1. Survival of the Jewish people and the establishment of their state towards the End Time: "And after him We said to the Children of Israel, 'Dwell Ye in the promised land; and when the time of the promise of the Latter Days come, We shall bring you together out of the various people.'" (The Holy Qur'an 17:105) Allah SWT allowed Children of Israel to enter the Land when they were freed from pharaoh of Egypt and has not broken His promise.

2. The Earth Beast: "And when the world shall come to past against them, We shall bring forth for them a Beast out of the earth who will speak to them, because people did not believe in Our Ayat with assurance." I believe this is a reference to the antichrist. This beast is able to speak and will mark people. No one will be able to escape it.

3. Yajuj and Majuj: "But Yajuj and Majuj are let loose and they rush headlong down every height (or advangate). Then will the True Promise draw near" (Holy Qur'an 21:96-97). These barbarians terrorized people in the ancient times, but their sort has not died out or perhaps, there will be people that are equal to the ancient tribes of Yajuj and Majuj. While the Holy Bible talks about them attacking Israel, the Holy Qur'an implies that these terrorists will attack the whole world on all sides of the globe.

4. The Smoke (Holy Qur'an 44:10-15)--I am still confused about the smoke a little, but it sounds like some sort of illness/biological agent that will cause suffering, but not permanently.
5. Second Coming of Jesus/Isaa pbuh: "He is a Sign of the Hour. Have no doubt about it. But follow me. This is a straight path." (Qur'an 43:61). "He will teach him the Book and Wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel." (Holy Qur'an 3:45-48). 'the Book' here must refer to the Holy Qur'an, because the Old Testament and the Gospel are mentioned after it. There was no revealed Qur'an in Jesus' pbuh time, so it must mean that he will be taught this upon his return/second coming.

6. The universe will stop expanding: current scientific theories state that the universe is expanding. At this time, science is unable to tell us whether it will stop doing so. However, The Holy Qur'an tells us that it will. Qur'an tells us that the universe will start to revert back to its original state of being. As a result, time will also start to flow backwards. (Holy Qur'an 51:47, 21:104).

7. The Sun, the sky, the stars: as the universe stops expanidng, people will start to experience confusions. One of these will be the Sun rising in the west. Stars will not be shining (Qur'an 78:8), , eclipse of the moon and sun not shining, Sun and moon becoming one (Holy Qur'an 75:7-9), black holes (gateways to other dimensions--our scientists suspect), etc.

8.The Trumpet, Super Earthquake and problems with gravitation: see Holy Qur'an 99:1, 69:13-14, 70:8, 84:3-4, 20:105-107, 99:1-6. Basically, the Holy Book tells us that the Earth will experience such big an earthquake that will cause mountains to crush down, the Earth's inner body will broke out and the Earth would be streched out. The sky will seem to fire up (Holy Qur'an 70:8, 84:3-4). Everything will probably die from all this.

9. The Second Trumpet and all dead are resurrected: as the time will be caused to go backwards and universe starts getting smaller, the generations dead will begin to resurrect, one by one to answer for their deeds (Holy Qur'an 10:45). Judgement begins as all control is with God Almighty and even our organs/body parts are witnesses against us (Holy Qur'an 82:19, 45:28, 24:24, 78:40).

10. The Angels: the angels will descend to the outstreched Earth to gather humanity and to take them to their final destinations (Holy Qur'an 25:25, 18:47, 84:19), either Hell or Heaven.

Well, that gives us something to think about.

So....IMO,global warming is quite likely a sign of the end of times. If not, there are many other signs to look for.

   

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Quote Andalus Replybullet Posted: 02 May 2010 at 7:33am
Originally posted by martha

GLobal warming..true or false.

Isn't the US the world's largest poluter? Would that explain why America doesn't believe in global warming?

The world will end...it has been revealed.


Well, that gives us something to think about.

So....IMO,global warming is quite likely a sign of the end of times. If not, there are many other signs to look for.

   

Best be prepared then!    
Now it is called climate change because there is some cooling that is taking place. You see, back in the 70s the great ice age was coming. Never happened. Then it was global warming. Now it is becoming climate change. Global warming is the cause of all things now (according to the enviro nuts). The problem is that the eco lemmings are unable to put together solid proof that man is causing it. So yes, there is climate change, that is not in doubt. For thousands of years the earths climate goes through cycles. What is in doubt is that I am causing it by breathing, and that we should hand over control of all production to the UN, Obama, Goldmans Sach, and Al Gore should be a huge wake up call that you are being duped. Redistributing capital to the UN and third world governments as penance for being hard working and productive all based upon loose science is more of a racket than a means to reduce the temperature of the earth. Dont you think sister? And yes, we should all be prepared for the end times....we are on the same page sister!!
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Of course the world will end. Eventually the sun will goe super nova and wipe out the earth and a few other planets, but what in hades it all has to do with the enviro-religion of man made climate change is beyond me.
 


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Quote martha Replybullet Posted: 02 May 2010 at 10:28am
Walaikum assalam brother!

What I find crazy is that many peoples are really scared of the world coming to an end.
What I feel we should do is just prepare ourselves. Then all will be fine. HOw we prepare ourselves practically and spiritually is open for debate. Do we start a new thread bro?




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Quote Andalus Replybullet Posted: 02 May 2010 at 10:24pm
Originally posted by martha

Walaikum assalam brother!

What I find crazy is that many peoples are really scared of the world coming to an end.
What I feel we should do is just prepare ourselves. Then all will be fine. HOw we prepare ourselves practically and spiritually is open for debate. Do we start a new thread bro?




I think we are on the same page sister! I like your well needed common sense.
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