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Quote seekshidayath Replybullet Posted: 27 December 2008 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by believer

Did you see the latest on the Mubai attacks?  The hostages were sexually mutilated before they were killed. uugghh!!
THAT was not topic of discussion
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Quote seekshidayath Replybullet Posted: 27 December 2008 at 6:32pm
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It is a test!
Israel is priming the President elect to prove his allegiance to the Zionist State!
The third member of the triad India is threatening Pakistan and it is a standoff at this time......
I was appalled by the Saudi foreign minister Saud bin Faisal being chummy with the mushriks towing the Indian line while in New Delhi .....Do we need any more proof of the fifth column! It is just sad scenario all around! 
I  was about to post of this Saudi. We shall get to read reactions of this Islamic nation, over terrorists attacks in India, or any other, but not a word over Gaza. Its sad that we {muslims} are like orphans today.
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 27 December 2008 at 6:38pm
You might be a believer of a felon Olmert ( he should be in jail for his corruption)  but give us a break on selling the occupiers standard rhetoric ...what is new here?

This has been going on for over half a century now with this net it is just traveling far and wide! How can they expect any justice from these Zionist Jews /Xtians when their own kind are being robbed blind....

 Just remember Bernie Madoff making off with $50 Billion and much of it belonged to old retired Jews in places like Israel, Florida and California; and the charities.....Poor but brave Gazans should know that these vipers eat their own... The blood of your martyrs wouldn't go unrewarded!
There is absolutely no proportionality in this situation Israel is the ruler of the dying super power that is committing suicide through these vipers!
The wars started on their behest and economy under their control has been imploded by design and that is beyond comprehension for the common person!
believer come on tell me what country do you live in?

I have a question for the Jews and their lackeys did you  forget your life in  Europe's Jewish pales?.... Such ingratesThumbs%20Down 

Edited by Sign*Reader - 27 December 2008 at 7:12pm
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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 27 December 2008 at 6:53pm

"The doctrine originated with the 1907 Hague Conventions, which govern the laws of war, and was later codified in Article 49 of the International Law Commission's 1980 Draft Articles on State Responsibility (PDF). The doctrine is also referred to indirectly in the 1977 Additional Protocols of the Geneva Conventions. Regardless of whether states are party to the treaties above, experts say the principle is part of what is known as customary international law. According to the doctrine, a state is legally allowed to unilaterally defend itself and right a wrong provided the response is proportional to the injury suffered. The response must also be immediate and necessary, refrain from targeting civilians, and require only enough force to reinstate the status quo ante. That said, experts say the proportionality principle is open to interpretation and depends on the context. 'It's always a subjective test,' says Michael Newton, associate clinical professor of law at Vanderbilt University Law School. 'But if someone punches you in the nose, you don't burn their house down.' "

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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 27 December 2008 at 10:40pm

Hey believer: You need to read this>>>>>>>>>>......

The House of Cards

Caution: Settlers Ahead


"As a Jew, I was ashamed at the scenes of Jews opening fire at
innocent Arabs in Hebron. There is no other definition than the term
'pogrom' to describe what I have seen." This quote from Israeli Prime
Minister Ehud Olmert came just before I returned to Palestine two
weeks ago. In Syria and in Lebanon, I watched as Al Jazeera
correspondents reported live from Hebron, showing settlers burning
houses and soldiers standing by and watching.

One of my first stops upon return to Palestine was to the Salfit
region in the north, quite far from Hebron, to visit friends. I
wasn't thinking about the settlers. I visited a friend whose house is
surrounded by the Wall, and asked how things were going. "They," she
pointed towards the settlement behind her house, "have attacked us
twice this week." In the middle of the night, the family had woken to
the sounds of stones hitting their house. This has happened before,
but not usually twice in one week. No settler has ever been punished
for throwing stones at their house, though they have broken windows
and water tanks.

I stayed in the area and woke up in the morning to the news that
settlers had attacked a nearby village, spray painting racial slogans
and stars of David on the village's mosque. I have seen stars of
David painted by settlers before, mostly on the walls of Palestinian
shops and homes in Hebron, but I am still taken aback each time I see
it. Do they not remember Kristallnacht? Or do they specifically
remember Kristallnacht?

Another friend told me she had been on a bus the week before that was stopped by Israeli soldiers. "You should turn around and go a
different way," said a soldier to the driver. "There are settlers up
ahead waiting to attack." So the bus turned around, went a different
way, and narrowly avoided a different attack by a group of settler
women gathered on the side of the road with stones.

Somehow this story is the most frustrating to me. When settlers
attack, Palestinians get punished / sent home / re-routed. It is as
though the settlers are a natural phenomenon. They could place a sign
in the road saying, "Caution: Settlers Ahead" and it would seem as
natural to the soldiers as a sign saying "Caution: Storm Conditions
Ahead" or "Caution: Road Curves Ahead." It is as though the condition
of settler attacks is unpreventable.

Of course, it is easier for a soldier to re-route a busload of unarmed
Palestinian people largely accustomed to occupation than to move a
group of armed settlers used to getting their way. But if the Israeli
government, with the 4th largest military in the world, wanted to
control a few (or a few thousand) extremist settlers, I am confident
that they could. This is not about a natural phenomenon, an
inevitable occurrence, an inability of the Israeli government to reign
in their population. It is a lack of will.

So when the prime minister of Israel says that he is personally
offended by the settler attacks, when he calls them pogroms, one
wonders why the Israeli soldiers largely stood by and watched, or even
accompanied the settlers on their attacks. One wonders why the
perpetrators are not in prison (unless they also attacked soldiers).
One wonders why the settlers have not been removed. And the answer is simple: These settlers serve the interests of the Israeli government.
I am not sure the government is always thrilled when the situation
gets out of control like this (and then reflects badly on Israel in
international media), but in general, having a small group of
right-wing extremists deflects attention from the root causes of the
problem, and deflects responsibility from the government.

Indeed, many Israelis view these settlers with disgust, and think, "If
only these people would move out of the West Bank, we would have
peace." The settler movement often retorts, "What is the difference
between land we came to control in 1948 and land we came to control in 1967?" Their conclusion (that Jews should fight for exclusive control
of all the land) is quite opposite from mine, but the analysis is the

And this is why there are three Israeli soldiers for every Israeli
settler in Hebron. Because if the settlers were to be removed, and
"peace" did not magically appear, then people might start to ask,
"Wait, is there another problem?" People might start to realize that
occupation is not defined solely by presence of settlers (Gaza is
experiencing the worst of occupation right now, though the settlers
left more than three years ago). People might start to realize that
there are Palestinians inside Israel who are treated less than
equally, to say the least. People might start to realize that half of
the Palestinian population has never set foot in any part of
Palestine, and that more than two thirds are not permitted to live in
their original villages. In other words, people might get to the core
of the issue.

The ideological settler movement is, in many ways, holding together
the fragile house of cards that is Israel. It has worked for a while,
but it will not work forever. In front of this house we can add one
more sign: "Caution: Collapse of Zionism Ahead."

P.S. While settlers are not jailed, these Israelis are:

Edited by Sign*Reader - 27 December 2008 at 10:51pm
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Quote Nur_Ilahi Replybullet Posted: 27 December 2008 at 10:51pm
Some celebrate the holidays with giving and fellowship; making up for the rest of the year when they can’t see the profit in it or it involves that extra effort that is better spent sitting on one’s ass and being entertained in lieu of an existence. Some opt for the religious angle and enjoy recreations of events for which no historical data exists. Some opt for the spiritual and we have no way of knowing what they are doing. Some look at it as an excuse to be more lubricated than usual and for some it is an opportunity to be more depressed than usual and some… some like to war on their neighbors because that is how they celebrate their holy days. Chief among the latter is the serial killer, theme park known as Israel.

Just as they attacked the U.S.S. Liberty in an attempt to provoke a war between The U.S. and the U.S.S.R. by way of Egypt and just as they used their control of the world press to give the im’press’ion that Lebanon kidnapped their soldiers on Israeli soil when they were actually captured well into Lebanon and… conveniently had all their forces mustered on the border and just as they bombed the King David Hotel and orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, they are now showing their holiday spirit bombing the *****out of the people they have been starving to death in Palestine based on rather crude evidence of Hamas related rocket attacks; this would be almost funny if it weren’t so sick. Of course, the one who violated the cease fire was Israel.

Once again I’m going to have to give you the image of the incredible shrinking map of Palestine. And I’m going to tell you that most of those rocket attacks are being carried out by Israelis on Israeli territory and that’s why they hardly ever hit anyone or anything. This is about full bore extermination of the Palestinian people who don’t have the good sense to move… somewhere? They should damn well know better than to occupy land that the AshkeNAZI’s want.

Now, as a gift to themselves in their festival of darkness they are going to enjoy another bloodstained holiday based on another bloodstained event. While the world has been jerking off to porn and prostrating themselves before the altar of the god of self-interest, the Palestinian people are being systematically wiped out with USDA approved genocidal actions. They’ve had their power and their water cut off. They’ve had their sewers backflowed into their living quarters. They’ve had their food supply cut off and all medical supplies and treatment denied them and …you name it… they’re getting it. It ain’t pretty.

Since just about no one has the courage to say it, let me say it… Israel, you are a nation of demented, psychopathic swine. You are involved in just about every ugly thing going on across the planet from your tribal control of the porn industry; to drug trafficking, human traffic, child murder, the crashing of the world financial systems, most of the world’s terror attacks and what have you. You’re a pimple on the ass of a degenerate crack whore in the Kingdom of Hell and you will… you will fall.

If anyone else were to do the things that these rapacious, bloodthirsty swine engaged in there would be a hue and cry across the landscape… or maybe not. No one seems to give much of a *****about anything these days except what’s in it for them. Of course, they are being victimized by these same swine but can’t get it up to do anything about it.

You have no right to exist but you do exist, the same way stomach cancer does. You exist, the same way that mosquitoes do, the way flies do and the way that all of Pandora’s refugees exist. You are the spirit of Pandora’s box which… also has a number of STD’s from a little too much violent rape without a condom.

You’re pretty slick. You worked your precious holocaust as a public relations event and even when various nations wanted to do something about the situation you refused all help. The suffering of certain individuals was all good copy for the blackmail you had in mind in the aftermath. Historical truth and hard data shows that your people engineered and carried out holocausts much greater than the numbers you give and they did it over and over and over; in Russia, in The Ukraine, in Armenia and … for all I know everywhere there’s ever been one. You’re the Synagogue of Satan. This is who you are the chosen people of. This is why the Golden Calf is rampant on your coat of arms.

You caused the war in Afghanistan by attacking the U.S. by proxy. You caused the war in Iraq by manufacturing lies through your agents and made the country much worse than it ever was under Saddam. Now you’re screaming and frothing at the mouth for an attack on Iran which hasn’t attacked anyone in many centuries. All your major wars since ’48 were initiated by you and made to look like someone else did the attacking but…. hard data shows you started these wars, not the other guy(s).

You’re a ***** abomination and everyone who because of ignorance, fear or money supports you, is also an abomination as well.

I don’t know what it is… occult power, money, nukes hidden in every country in the world. I don't know how you maintain your stranglehold on power in high places. I don’t know why you’ve been such a plague on humanity across the centuries which historical data shows the proof of… heck… look at who MOST of the slave traders were… by their own logs they are convicted.

You don’t scare me. Dying isn’t hard. Living is much harder. I’m hoping that Iran gets those S-300’s. I suspect you can’t attack even now. They’re more your size. This isn’t the same thing as faking the Entebbe rescue. This isn’t the same thing as pounding the *****out of a kid half your size or still in the crib which is your specialty. You’re stone cold evil and complete cowards as all the evidence shows.

Now, your settlers rampage through Palestinian neighborhoods; these evil lunatics who destroy orchards and kill women and children. Your IDF protects them even while they do it. When the IDF uses children for target practice, nothing happens. And all the time you talk about God and how Israel is chosen by God. It’s not God you are talking about. It’s The Devil. The Devil is your god. It is patently clear by what you do whom you serve. You serve the essential nature of evil. You talk of making war by way of deception and the devil is known as the great deceiver.

(By way of digression you should read this for a more measured take on a related subject by a gifted writer.)

You are the children of the devil and I just needed to say it. You worship matter and your love is only that which can be given to the desire for acquisition. It’s a little more like lust if you catch my drift.

Today and tomorrow you kill hundreds more innocent people. Today you celebrate your holidays, which are all based on similar murders, by doing that which you enjoy more than anything else… evil and the things of evil… murder, theft, corruption… you name it, you do it. You are the living face of evil.

Evil will not last. Your day is coming and then there will be cause for celebration all across the world. That will be cause for a real holiday as great as any other the world has ever seen.

Edited by Nur_Ilahi - 27 December 2008 at 10:52pm
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Quote Saladin Replybullet Posted: 28 December 2008 at 6:41am
275 Gazans plus 7 UN workers killed so far by the Neo-Nazi Zionists and the a$$hat Arab leaders are too busy adding the filth to their riches and the UN-International politicos are waiting for the s**t to hit the fan! Whatmore, the eunuch Abu Mazen, the passive recipient of US-Israeli dic-tation had the balls to blame Hamas for the massacre.

God save the Palestinians!
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Quote Caprice88 Replybullet Posted: 28 December 2008 at 11:47am
I think the whole problem is that the Israelis occupying a country where they dont even know the word 'sharing'. Most settlers are from Europe, North America etc. So basically they had everything except that their evilness made them move there and destroying Palestinas houses indiscriminately while them fat greedy Arab leaders aint doing nothing. The other problem aswell is that there is factions inside Palastine so it makes it easier for Israel to target and choose their PUPPET leader for Palastine by paying that individual faction. No Hamas or Fatah cares about the civilians is just a Big CAT AND MOUSE GAME going on there. The worst thing of all is that Egypt an Arab, Muslim country closed its boarder and even fired in air on Palastinas running from the bombarment i mean how evil is that.
God save Gaza and the whole Middle East! 
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