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Originally posted by Angela

But, what Jesus was teaching was a continuation/evolution of what came before.... 

And there is no 'Nazerene' faith. Gah...what crap is that. 

If you are a "Christian" its Old Testament is the foundation of the New Testament...its all the same religion..... Jesus completed the prophecies and Christianity is a continuation of Judaism... 

If you are Muslim...its all one continuous religion where people fall away periodically because of twisted interpretations. 

Jesus was a JEW. Only an anti-semtic crackpot would want to or need to make him anything else. My Lord was born to a Jewish Mother and was a continuation of the Prophets and Kings who were of the line of David (a Jew). He worshipped in a Jewish Temple. He observed Jewish rights like Passover. His followers were Jews who called him Rabbi. 

Christianity is a "jewish" faith...there is no "Nazerene" faith. That's some made up term. 
Read ! 
 "He shall be called a Nazorean!" (Matthew 2:23). 

"We have, in fact, found this man a pestilent fellow, an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5,)
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 http://www.essene.com/What%20is%20a%20Nazarene.htm

the true gospel of jesus: READ !
http://www.essene.com/NazareneGospel/Holy_12_1.html
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Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe to be those who say: We are Nazarenes. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud. 
(Qur'an  Surah al-Maedah verse 82)

The Qur'an uses the word "Nazarene" for Christians, however notice that the verse is not referring to all Christians, but those Christians who actually call themselves Nazarenes.

the above quote is from forum member Sawtul Khilafah as a responce to another post.

Here is a quote from fellow member Minuteman:
Moreover, It is known that there was group of people called Nazarene in the time of Jesus and some say that Jesus himself belonged to that group. They used to wear white clothes. The Joseph of Armethia who took the body of Jesus after it came down from cross, he belonged to the Nazarene. 
 I ffel that I read all that some where (perhaps in the gospel of Barnabas, but I cannot remember where I read it). It was definitely a book. Perhaps the title of the book was "Ben Hur".

 That Joseph was a Nazarene and he had an underground tomb made out of rock for his own burial. He was a very rich and influential man. He approached Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.

 Pilate was surprised and said , "Has he died so quickly?"(thats another topic)

i come to this forum of the nazerenes .  the true faith of jesus which was distroyed by the gentile christain church. whos rites and practices and creed were re-established by muhammad in the qur'an . and the nazerenes re-established the true faith that was before them. 
why do you think he called the jews lost! why do you think he corrected them at every turn? and you say see, we must be as they are!
the same evil that corrupted the jews and thier law has corrupted the new testement also.

jeremiah 8:8'  How can you say, "We are wise, 
       for we have the law of the LORD," 
       when actually the lying pen of the scribes 
       has handled it falsely
 jeremiah is speaking of the same old testament thats in the bible now! corrupted!!

also you state the following:
If you are a "Christian" its Old Testament is the foundation of the New Testament...its all the same religion..... Jesus completed the prophecies and Christianity is a continuation of Judaism... 
my reply:
hebrews 8:13   By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear .
let me add we cannot distain The Book for it holds great truth in between. ( those who are brought in by the spirit are led astay by it also. )  WHY DID JESUS SPEAK IN PARABALES??

leland

Edited by Nazarene - 14 December 2008 at 5:35am

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Nazarene Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 05 September 2008 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 302	Posted: 13 December 2008 at 7:26pm
	*Originally posted by Angela* But, what Jesus was teaching was a continuation/evolution of what came before.... And there is no 'Nazerene' faith. Gah...what crap is that. If you are a "Christian" its Old Testament is the foundation of the New Testament...its all the same religion..... Jesus completed the prophecies and Christianity is a continuation of Judaism... If you are Muslim...its all one continuous religion where people fall away periodically because of twisted interpretations. Jesus was a JEW. Only an anti-semtic crackpot would want to or need to make him anything else. My Lord was born to a Jewish Mother and was a continuation of the Prophets and Kings who were of the line of David (a Jew). He worshipped in a Jewish Temple. He observed Jewish rights like Passover. His followers were Jews who called him Rabbi. Christianity is a "jewish" faith...there is no "Nazerene" faith. That's some made up term. *Read !* "He shall be called a Nazorean!" (Matthew 2:23). "We have, in fact, found this man a pestilent fellow, an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5,) *www.essene.com/* http://www.essene.com/What%20is%20a%20Nazarene.htm *the true gospel of jesus: READ !* http://www.essene.com/NazareneGospel/Holy_12_1.html www.essene.com/NazareneGospel/index.html Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe to be those who say: We are Nazarenes. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud. (Qur'an Surah al-Maedah verse 82) The Qur'an uses the word "Nazarene" for Christians, however notice that the verse is not referring to all Christians, but those Christians who actually call themselves Nazarenes. the above quote is from forum member Sawtul Khilafah as a responce to another post. *Here is a quote from fellow member Minuteman:* Moreover, It is known that there was group of people called Nazarene in the time of Jesus and some say that Jesus himself belonged to that group. They used to wear white clothes. The Joseph of Armethia who took the body of Jesus after it came down from cross, he belonged to the Nazarene. *I ffel that I read all that some where (perhaps in the gospel of Barnabas, but I cannot remember where I read it). It was definitely a book. Perhaps the title of the book was "Ben Hur".* *That Joseph was a Nazarene and he had an underground tomb made out of rock for his own burial. He was a very rich and influential man. He approached Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.* Pilate was surprised and said , "Has he died so quickly?"(thats another topic) i come to this forum of the nazerenes . the true faith of jesus which was distroyed by the gentile christain church. whos rites and practices and creed were re-established by muhammad in the qur'an . and the nazerenes re-established the true faith that was before them. why do you think he called the jews lost! why do you think he corrected them at every turn? and you say see, we must be as they are! *the same evil that corrupted the jews and thier law has corrupted the new testement also.* jeremiah 8:8' How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely *jeremiah is speaking of the same old testament thats in the bible now! corrupted!!* *also you state the following:* If you are a "Christian" its Old Testament is the foundation of the New Testament...its all the same religion..... Jesus completed the prophecies and Christianity is a continuation of Judaism... *my reply:* hebrews 8:13 *By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear .* *let me add we cannot distain The Book for it holds great truth in between. ( those who are brought in by the spirit are led astay by it also. ) WHY DID JESUS SPEAK IN PARABALES??* leland Edited by Nazarene - 14 December 2008 at 5:35am
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Angela Female Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2555	Posted: 13 December 2008 at 8:19pm
	Oh, I'm sorry...you're one of those... My Aunt and Uncle were Nazerene's for a short while...we call them "Holy Rollers" back home. They eventually left... I don't need to say anymore. I though I was engaging a Protestant.
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Nazarene Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 05 September 2008 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 302	Posted: 13 December 2008 at 8:36pm
	*Originally posted by Angela* Oh, I'm sorry...you're one of those... My Aunt and Uncle were Nazerene's for a short while...we call them "Holy Rollers" back home. They eventually left... I don't need to say anymore. I though I was engaging a Protestant. *i'm sorry to , i'll pray you find the love and peace you seek in christ. and that we are all made HOLY in the eyes of allah.* *peace* *leland* Edited by Nazarene - 13 December 2008 at 8:39pm
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Nazarene Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 05 September 2008 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 302	Posted: 14 December 2008 at 7:23am
	*Originally posted by Angela* Oh, I'm sorry...you're one of those... My Aunt and Uncle were Nazerene's for a short while...we call them "Holy Rollers" back home. They eventually left... I don't need to say anymore. I though I was engaging a *Protestant.* *i'm also* joyfull you understand!!! there are differences between the same! A jew to a nazerene, is a similitude of a catholic to a protestant or a shihite to a sufi. peace and love to you as you futher your enlightenment. leland Edited by Nazarene - 14 December 2008 at 7:30am
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Nazarene Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 05 September 2008 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 302	Posted: 14 December 2008 at 1:01pm
	*from angela:* *Jesus was a JEW. Only an anti-semtic crackpot would want to or need to make him anything else.* Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael,Jacob,were seminites not jews, JEWS{ Judea-Judean} DID NOT EXSIST WHEN GOD MADE HIS COVENENTS WITH THE HOUSE OF ABRAHAM. those covenents cover MANY , MANY PEOPLE!! even David and Solomon were not JEWS! { although they were "judean"} *the JEWISH rabbinical religious cult did not exsist till around 500-400 bce. after they left Babalon, hence the polution of pagen practices.* *leland* Edited by Nazarene - 15 December 2008 at 5:22am
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 15 December 2008 at 2:10pm
	By his belief he was neither a Jew nor a Chrsitian, if he believed in One God and worshiped His Creator, and he was in submisson to God, then he was a Muslim. Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Nur_Ilahi Senior Member Joined: 19 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1031	Posted: 16 December 2008 at 4:29am
	*Originally posted by Friendship* Assalamu alaikum. Angela posted: Therefore Jesus was a Jew. By blood, by religion and through adoption by tribe. Response: Technically I am wright. I do not consider the apocryphal state of the NT. They initially called themselves the children of Israel and Allah accepted. I think the name 'Jew' was stolen from the Qur'an as Muhammad called them with that name in Madina. I do not think Ezra called them "Jews" since after compiling the Torah he dared called them so in defiance of Exodus 3:13-15. I met a lot of Jews who confirmed to me what you said. The Qur'an in reality told the Children of Israel what was their true position. They are Muslims. Friendship. Friendship, Please clarify your statements above. And please give sources, because your post is very contradictory. They initially called themselves the children of Israel and Allah accepted. I think the name 'Jew' was stolen from the Qur'an as Muhammad called them with that name in Madina What are you trying to explain. I really cannot see head or tail. Tks.
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Nur_Ilahi Senior Member Joined: 19 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1031	Posted: 16 December 2008 at 4:49am
	Abraham, Moses, Jesus all worshipped The One True God. They submitted to the law of The Creator. So they were Muslims. They were neither Jews nor Christians. If people say that the Jesus was a Jew, then Jesus was worshipping to a god that was racist. And of course that was impossible. And some people say that he was a Christian. That is also an impossibility. Nothing in the Bible says that Jesus was a Christian or that the religion of Jesus was Christianity. Nothing!
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