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Abu_Hadi
 
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bullet Posted: 17 December 2008 at 3:48am
Holy Quran allows mutaa' in Surat 4 Ayat 24.
It was  allowed by Rasoulallah(p.b.u.h)
It was made haram by Umar Al Khattab, who had no right to make something haram which was allowed by Quran and Rasoulallah(p.b.u.h)
 
Mutaa' is not prostitution. It is marriage.
The iddah applies to mutaa'. If a prostitute did halal mutaa', she would have to wait 3 months between each new client. Now that would be a pretty poor prostitute, lol.
 
 
 
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bullet Posted: 19 December 2008 at 1:17am
Originally posted by Abu_Hadi

Holy Quran allows mutaa' in Surat 4 Ayat 24.
It was  allowed by Rasoulallah(p.b.u.h)
It was made haram by Umar Al Khattab, who had no right to make something haram which was allowed by Quran and Rasoulallah(p.b.u.h)
 
Mutaa' is not prostitution. It is marriage.
The iddah applies to mutaa'. If a prostitute did halal mutaa', she would have to wait 3 months between each new client. Now that would be a pretty poor prostitute, lol.
  

4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
What part is Mutaa?
What is stopping you marrying upto four?
It is all matter of staying within limits or go past it. If you are a king then you make your own rules! If you have to ask then you know you are asking for trouble!
Now if you pay enough the poverty is non issue! Like in case of King Abdul Aziz & son Saud every woman would get an all found palace! And there was no one telling him or her that it was wrong,,,They went around the rule! Saud went insane and lost throne!




Edited by Sign*Reader - 19 December 2008 at 4:12pm
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bullet Posted: 19 December 2008 at 7:44am

Originally posted by Sign*Reader



  • Like in case of King Saud every woman would get an all found palace!



Who is this King Saud You are talking about?

The woman got the palace for what?

Should I assume it was muta'a because that is the subject of discussion?


Originally posted by Sign*Reader


  • And there was no one telling him or her that it was wrong,,,


Again the same question. Do you mean to say that they were practicing Muta'a?

Kindly elaborate on the above and the following statement:


Originally posted by Sign*Reader


  • He abused his power till he went insane and lost the throne!



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bullet Posted: 19 December 2008 at 4:25pm
OMG Who doesn't know these guys? Any how
Al Saud was the founder of Kingdom of the Saudi Arabia and Saud was his son who became the next king!

The number of children that Ibn Saud fathered are unknown, and estimates range from about 80 to over 100. One source indicates that he had 37 sons by 16 wives. His number of wives is put at 22 though never more than three or four simultaneously.

The way it worked the tribes offered the daughters to these kings hoping that they will become favorites otherwise a luxurious living facilities was a well understood as part of mehr for the ex wives and princely brood! The concept of mutaa wasn't there probably but then it  sure was some thing that needs a name let's call it Saudia or whatever!

King Saud had 53 sons and 56 daughters, number of wives AOA!



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bullet Posted: 20 December 2008 at 5:32am
Originally posted by Sign*Reader



OMG Who doesn't know these guys?



Why would I ask you if I knew?

And how do you know them?

Are you an offspring of that dynasty that empowers you to speak so firmly about their private life?


Originally posted by Sign*Reader


........The number of children that Ibn Saud fathered are unknown,......



Unknown to whom?

Wouldnt the children demand their rights?


Originally posted by Sign*Reader


  • he had 37 sons by 16 wives.......... 

  • His number of wives is put at 22 though never more than three or four simultaneously........

  • King Saud had 53 sons and 56 daughters, number of wives AOA!


Please produce proof of those contradicting  statistics which you wish to spread on the net?

Or have you copied that from some book of fiction?




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bullet Posted: 20 December 2008 at 6:38pm

The book of fiction is wiki!

Succession to Saudi Arabia's throne has been a process that has, to a large extent, excluded all but the senior members of the Al Saud. Male progeny, with tenure in senior government positions, whose mothers were King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud's wives and from prominent peninsula based families and tribes, and who have shown both the willingness and ability to build the necessary consensus from other wings in the family are, in theory, the most eligible candidates.


The number of children that Ibn Saud fathered are unknown, and estimates range from about 80 to over 100. One source indicates that he had 37 sons by 16 wives.[4] His number of wives is put at 22[5] though never more than three or four simultaneously.They include: (names of Kings in bold)
  1. By Wadha bint Muhammad al-Hazzam
    1. Turki (I) (1900-1919)
    2. Saud (January 12, 1902 - February 23, 1969); reigned 1953-1964
    3. Nura
    4. Munira
  2. By Tarfah bint Abdullah al-Shaikh Abdul-Wahab
    1. Khaled (I) (born 1903, died in infancy)
    2. Faisal (April 1904 - March 25, 1975); reigned 1964-1975
    3. Saad (I) (1914 - 1919)
    4. Anud (born 1917)
  3. By Jauhara bint Musa'd Al Saud
    1. Muhammad (1910-1988)
    2. Khaled (II) (1913 - June 13, 1982); reigned 1975-1982
  4. By Lajah bint Khalid bin Hithlayn
    1. Sara (1916 - June 2000)
  5. By Bazza (the first wife named Bazza)
    1. Nasser (1919 - 1984)
  6. By Jawhara bint Sa'ad bin Abd al-Muhsin al-Sudairi
    1. Saad (II) (1920 - 1993)
    2. Musa'id (born 1923)
    3. Abdul Mohsin (1925-1985)
    4. Al-Bandari bint Abdulaziz (1928 - 2008)[6]
  7. By Hassa bint Ahmad al-Sudairi
    These are known as the "Sudairi Seven")
    1. Fahd (II) (1921 - August 1, 2005); reigned 1982-2005
    2. Sultan (born 1926); current crown prince
    3. Luluwah bint Abdulaziz (ca 1928 - 2008) [7]
    4. Abd al-Rahman (born 1931)
    5. Naif (born 1933)
    6. Turki (II) (born 1934)
    7. Salman (born 1936)
    8. Ahmed (born 1942)
    9. Jawaher
    10. Lateefa
    11. Al-Jawhara
    12. Moudhi (died young)
    13. Felwa ( died young)
  8. By Shahida
    1. Mansur (1922 - May 2, 1951)
    2. Mishaal (born 1926)
    3. Qumasha (born 1927)
    4. Mutaib (born 1931)
  9. By Fahda bint Asi al-Shuraim
    1. Abdullah (born August 1924); current king, since 2005
    2. Nuf
    3. Sita
  10. By Bazza (the second wife named Bazza)
    1. Bandar (born 1923)
    2. Fawwaz (1934-2008)
    3. Mishari (1932 - May 23, 2000)
  11. By Haya bint Sa'ad al-Sudairy (1913 - April 18, 2003)
    1. Badr (I) (1931-1932)
    2. Badr (II) (born 1933)
    3. Huzza (1951-July 2000)
    4. Abdalillah (born 1935)
    5. Abdul Majeed (1943-2007)
    6. Nura (born 1930)
    7. Mishail
  12. By Munaiyir
    1. Talal (II) (born 1932)
    2. Nawwaf (born 1933)
    3. Madawi
  13. By Mudhi
    1. Sultana bint Abdulaziz (ca. 1928 - 2008) [8]
    2. Majed (II) (October 19, 1938 - April 12, 2003)
    3. Sattam (born January 21, 1941)
    4. Haya
  14. By Nouf bint al-Shalan
    1. Thamir (1937 - June 27, 1959)
    2. Mamduh (born 1941)
    3. Mashhur (born 1942)
  15. By Saida al-Yamaniyah
    1. Hidhlul (born 1941)
  16. By Khadra
  17. By Baraka al-Yamaniyah
    1. Muqran (born September 15, 1945)
  18. By Futayma
    1. Hamad (1947-1994)
  19. By ??
    1. Fahd (I) (1905-1919)
    2. Shaikha (born 1922)
    3. Majeed (I) (1934-1940)
    4. Talal (I) (1930-1931)
    5. Jiluwi (I)(1942-1944)
    6. Jiluwi (II) (1952-1952) Was the youngest son of Ibn Saud but died as an infant.

All of these carry the surname "bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud" for men and "bint Abdul Aziz Al Saud" for women. Ibn Saud is the father of all the Kings of Saudi Arabia that have succeeded him. King Saud succeeded his father as regent of Saudi Arabia in 1953, three months after being appointed Prime Minister by his father. In 1964 King Saud was deposed by the Saudi Council of Ministers and succeeded by King Faisal, another of Ibn Saud's sons. Faisal was followed by three further sons, King Khalid, King Fahd and King Abdullah. According to the Saudi Basic Law of 1992, the King of Saudi Arabia must be a son or grandson of Ibn Saud.



Edited by Sign*Reader - 20 December 2008 at 6:41pm
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bullet Posted: 20 December 2008 at 8:46pm
Hello, all

I have written so much on this topic at various sites that I am tired of it.

LOL

Shia brothers defend it. Shia sisters abhor it and would never allow anyone to have a Mut'aa with them for a time.

Once, I had a long discussion with some of my Shia friends and it reached a point, when I said,"Will you then allow me to have Mut'aa with your sisters?"

The answer was a straight NO!

I must say that Mut'aa IS Haraam. Period.

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bullet Posted: 21 December 2008 at 11:25pm

it is true that muta is haram in islam n snip snip


Mod-edit: Please do not call Shias, kafir.

Salaams

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