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Saladin
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Posted: 16 May 2009 at 11:43am

Salam Alaikum,

According to Sura Baqara, verse 247, Talut maynt have been wealthy but had sound knowledge and physical prowess to be the king.

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Posted: 17 May 2009 at 5:22am

As Salamu Alaikum

Masha Allah nice information about Ayesha Radhi Allahu Anha but I don't think it is from the authentic sources. (Not sure about this) so we should just mentioned that.

According to Tafsir ibn Kathir, if I recall correctly Talut was a soldier.

Bit slow in get here but Insha Allah, I will be around

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“Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An’am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)

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Posted: 17 May 2009 at 6:17am

As sallamualaikum,

just wanted to say that i have popped in now n then - didnt know any answers!

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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 6:25pm

As Salamu Alaikum

When the Israelites asked their Prophet to appoint a king over them, he appointed Talut (Saul), who was then a soldier. But, Talut was not a descendant of the house of kings among them. So Allah swt revealed.

247. And their Prophet said to them, "Indeed Allah has appointed Talut (Saul) as a king over you.'' They said, "How can he be a king over us when we are fitter than him for the kingdom, and he has not been given enough wealth.'' He said: "Verily, Allah has chosen him above you and has increased him abundantly in knowledge and stature. And Allah grants His kingdom to whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All-Knower.''

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 6:28pm

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After Allah (AWJ) saved them from the Pharaoh by drowning him and his soldiers in the sea. After that, Allah (SWT) ordered them to “O my people, enter the Holy Land (Literally: the hallowed land) which Allah has prescribed for you…”

How many people were ready to fight for the holy land ?

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Posted: 23 May 2009 at 3:21am

As Salamu Alaikum

Not sure about this answer, but I think 3 or 4

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“Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An’am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)

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Posted: 29 May 2009 at 3:11am

Salam Alaikum,

Guessing....the same number of believers at Badr?

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Posted: 29 May 2009 at 4:43am

As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmtuallah

Glad to see you sis Chrysallis, Alwardah, and our brother Saladin as well. I did not see active since, Prabhakaran's death. We are all to return one day, so don't grieve for the dead

5: 21. "O my people! Enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and turn not back; for then you will be returned as losers.''

22. They said: "O Musa! In it are a people of great strength, and we shall never enter it, till they leave it; when they leave, then we will enter.''

23. Two men of those who feared (Allah and) on whom Allah had bestowed His grace said: "Assault them through the gate; for when you are in, victory will be yours. And put your trust in Allah if you are believers indeed.''

So just 2 men amongst them were ready.

Compare this to the better response the Companions gave to the Messenger of Allah during the battle of Badr, when he asked for their advice about fighting the Quraysh army that came to protect the caravan led by Abu Sufyan. When the Muslim army missed the caravan and the Quraysh army, between nine hundred and one thousand strong, helmeted and drawing closer, Abu Bakr stood up and said something good. Several more Muhajirin also spoke, all the while the Messenger of Allah saying,

(Advise me, O Muslims!) inquiring of what the Ansar, the majority then, had to say. Sa`d bin Mu`adh said, "It looks like you mean us, O Messenger of Allah! By He Who has sent you with the Truth! If you seek to cross this sea and went in it, we will follow you and none among us will remain behind. We would not hate for you to lead us to meet our enemy tomorrow. We are patient in war, vicious in battle. May Allah allow you to witness from our efforts what comforts your eyes. Therefore, march forward with the blessing of Allah.'' The Messenger of Allah () was pleased with the words of Sa`d and was encouraged to march on. Abu Bakr bin Marduwyah recorded that Anas said that when the Messenger of Allah went to Badr, he asked the Muslims for their opinion, and `Umar gave his. The Prophet again asked the Muslims for their opinion and the Ansar said, "O Ansar! It is you whom the Prophet wants to hear.'' They said, "We will never say as the Children of Israel said to Musa,So go, you and your Lord, and fight you two, we are sitting right here.) By He Who has sent you with the Truth! If you took the camels to Bark Al-Ghimad (near Makkah) we shall follow you.'' Imam Ahmad, An-Nasa'i and Ibn Hibban also recorded this Hadith.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

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Saladin Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 04 September 2007 Location: Sri Lanka Online Status: Offline Posts: 575	Posted: 16 May 2009 at 11:43am
	Salam Alaikum, According to Sura Baqara, verse 247, Talut maynt have been wealthy but had sound knowledge and physical prowess to be the king.
	'Trust everyone but not the devil in them'
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Alwardah Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2005 Location: South Africa Online Status: Offline Posts: 980	Posted: 17 May 2009 at 5:22am
	As Salamu Alaikum Masha Allah nice information about Ayesha Radhi Allahu Anha but I don't think it is from the authentic sources. (Not sure about this) so we should just mentioned that. According to Tafsir ibn Kathir, if I recall correctly Talut was a soldier. Bit slow in get here but Insha Allah, I will be around Salams
	“Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An’am 6:165) "Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)
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Chrysalis Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2030	Posted: 17 May 2009 at 6:17am
	As sallamualaikum, just wanted to say that i have popped in now n then - didnt know any answers!
	"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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seekshidayath Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 3337	Posted: 21 May 2009 at 6:25pm
	As Salamu Alaikum When the Israelites asked their Prophet to appoint a king over them, he appointed Talut (Saul), who was then a soldier. But, Talut was not a descendant of the house of kings among them. So Allah swt revealed. 247. And their Prophet said to them, "Indeed Allah has appointed Talut (Saul) as a king over you.'' They said, "How can he be a king over us when we are fitter than him for the kingdom, and he has not been given enough wealth.'' He said: "Verily, Allah has chosen him above you and has increased him abundantly in knowledge and stature. And Allah grants His kingdom to whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All-Knower.''
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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seekshidayath Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 3337	Posted: 21 May 2009 at 6:28pm
	Next Question After Allah (AWJ) saved them from the Pharaoh by drowning him and his soldiers in the sea. After that, Allah (SWT) ordered them to “O my people, enter the Holy Land (Literally: the hallowed land) which Allah has prescribed for you…” How many people were ready to fight for the holy land ?
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Alwardah Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2005 Location: South Africa Online Status: Offline Posts: 980	Posted: 23 May 2009 at 3:21am
	As Salamu Alaikum Not sure about this answer, but I think 3 or 4 Salams
	“Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An’am 6:165) "Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)
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Saladin Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 04 September 2007 Location: Sri Lanka Online Status: Offline Posts: 575	Posted: 29 May 2009 at 3:11am
	Salam Alaikum, Guessing....the same number of believers at Badr?
	'Trust everyone but not the devil in them'
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seekshidayath Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 3337	Posted: 29 May 2009 at 4:43am
	As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmtuallah Glad to see you sis Chrysallis, Alwardah, and our brother Saladin as well. I did not see active since, Prabhakaran's death. We are all to return one day, so don't grieve for the dead 5: 21. "O my people! Enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and turn not back; for then you will be returned as losers.'' 22. They said: "O Musa! In it are a people of great strength, and we shall never enter it, till they leave it; when they leave, then we will enter.'' 23. Two men of those who feared (Allah and) on whom Allah had bestowed His grace said: "Assault them through the gate; for when you are in, victory will be yours. And put your trust in Allah if you are believers indeed.'' So just 2 men amongst them were ready. Compare this to the better response the Companions gave to the Messenger of Allah during the battle of Badr, when he asked for their advice about fighting the Quraysh army that came to protect the caravan led by Abu Sufyan. When the Muslim army missed the caravan and the Quraysh army, between nine hundred and one thousand strong, helmeted and drawing closer, Abu Bakr stood up and said something good. Several more Muhajirin also spoke, all the while the Messenger of Allah saying, (Advise me, O Muslims!) inquiring of what the Ansar, the majority then, had to say. Sa`d bin Mu`adh said, "It looks like you mean us, O Messenger of Allah! By He Who has sent you with the Truth! If you seek to cross this sea and went in it, we will follow you and none among us will remain behind. We would not hate for you to lead us to meet our enemy tomorrow. We are patient in war, vicious in battle. May Allah allow you to witness from our efforts what comforts your eyes. Therefore, march forward with the blessing of Allah.'' The Messenger of Allah () was pleased with the words of Sa`d and was encouraged to march on. Abu Bakr bin Marduwyah recorded that Anas said that when the Messenger of Allah went to Badr, he asked the Muslims for their opinion, and `Umar gave his. The Prophet again asked the Muslims for their opinion and the Ansar said, "O Ansar! It is you whom the Prophet wants to hear.'' They said, "We will never say as the Children of Israel said to Musa,So go, you and your Lord, and fight you two, we are sitting right here.) By He Who has sent you with the Truth! If you took the camels to Bark Al-Ghimad (near Makkah) we shall follow you.'' Imam Ahmad, An-Nasa'i and Ibn Hibban also recorded this Hadith.
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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