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Posted: 10 January 2009 at 1:49am

Salaam alaikum,

Yes, its a house in heaven, frequented by angels for prayer. I think 52:4 is mentioning this house.

'Trust everyone but not the devil in them'

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Posted: 10 January 2009 at 3:17am

Wa'laikum salam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

So quick! JazakAllah for the answers.

Al-Bayt Al-Ma`mur is the Ka`bah of those who reside in the seventh heaven. In the Two Sahihs it is confirmed that the Messenger of Allah said in the Hadith about Al-Isra', after ascending to the seventh heaven. Then, I was taken to Al-Bayt Al-Ma`mur. It is visited every day by seventy thousand angels who will not come back to visit it again

The angels worship Allah in Al-Bayt Al-Ma`mur and perform Tawaf around it just as the people of the earth perform Tawaf around the Ka`bah. Al-Bayt Al-Ma`mur is parallel to the Ka`bah; every heaven has its own house of worship, which is also the direction of prayer for its residents. The house that is located in the lower heaven, is called Bayt Al-`Izzah.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

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Posted: 10 January 2009 at 3:52am

"And the heavens and the earth wept not for them" - This an ayah.

Here's a part of the hadith, InshaAllah, shall share it in full while answering it.

"There is no one who does not have a gate in the heavens through which his provision comes down and his good deeds ascend. When the believer dies, that gate is closed; it misses him and weeps for him, and the place of prayer on earth where he used to pray and remember Allah also weeps for him ---- "

But heavens and the earth did not pray for one group as the ayah above says and even the rest part of hadith which is n't shared here now . Who were they ?

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

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Posted: 10 January 2009 at 11:14am

Assalamu alikum.

Correct interpretation of the verse by At-tabari. To the point of reference it narrates to Pharoah and his Jund. In the general sense it refers to all those who want to prevent the Word of Allah becoming Supreme, under the the one chosen by Allah as His Vicegerent (khalifa). This verse is an answer to the post of Asadullah where he drew the attention of those calling for Jihad to consider their motive i.e intention. Pharaoh was arrogant, ignorant. He was not illiterate.
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Posted: 12 January 2009 at 5:56pm

Wa'laikum Salam

Yes, the correct answer is it referred to Firawn and his group. I don't know, if it for those who prevent the word of Allah becoming supreme -- Here's the hadith

Ibn Jarir recorded that Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "A man came to Ibn `Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, and said to him: `O Abu Al-`Abbas, Allah says,
And the heavens and the earth wept not for them, nor were they given respite" -- do the heavens and the earth weep for anybody' He, may Allah be pleased with him, said, `Yes, there is no one who does not have a gate in the heavens through which his provision comes down and his good deeds ascend. When the believer dies, that gate is closed; it misses him and weeps for him, and the place of prayer on earth where he used to pray and remember Allah also weeps for him. But the people of Fir`awn left no trace of righteousness on the earth and they had no good deeds that ascended to Allah, so the heavens and the earth did not weep for them.

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Posted: 13 January 2009 at 1:33am

Al-Daabah will be one of the signs that Qiyamah is near. It will be a creature (beast), and will have the ability to reason and speak. It will also distingush b/w Believers and Disbelievers by marking them. Allah will cause it to appear when the people will become corrupt.

"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."

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Posted: 15 January 2009 at 3:41am

As Salamu Alaikum

That was correct. JazakiAllahu khayr.

When Ibrahim AS, was thrown in fire, what were his words ?

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

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Posted: 16 January 2009 at 3:31am

Assalamu alaikum.

Chrysalis posted: Al-Daabah will be one of the signs that Qiyamah is near. It will be a creature (beast), and will have the ability to reason and speak. It will also distingush b/w Believ

ers and Disbelievers by marking them Allah will cause it to appear when the people will become corrupt.
Response: Let us be more objective. What you wrote down is virtually in every Tafsir. The Sura was a Makkan Sura thereby teaching on Tawhid. It addressed those who actually disbelieved. Now since from the time of the Ummayds dynasty to today, we have had many despotic regimes all going agains the Shari'a. Upto today we never saw that beast. The moment one dies that is his Day of Judgment. So, if that beast would appear those dead will not see it. But the address i.e tha Daabah was general. Therefore anyone who lives in a despotic regime will symbolically see that beast. The beast in really are those true and sincere preachers who are excluded by the Muslim Umma because they preach the truth. Please read Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary on this verse. Maududi of your country said, "As for the nature general appearance, place of appearance and other details about the beast, contradictory traditions have ben reported, which only cause confusion and are not relevant to the object for which this thing has been mentioned in the Quran". Now what is the object for which the verse was revealed?
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Saladin Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 04 September 2007 Location: Sri Lanka Online Status: Offline Posts: 575	Posted: 10 January 2009 at 1:49am
	Salaam alaikum, Yes, its a house in heaven, frequented by angels for prayer. I think 52:4 is mentioning this house.
	'Trust everyone but not the devil in them'
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seekshidayath Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 3338	Posted: 10 January 2009 at 3:17am
	Wa'laikum salam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu, So quick! JazakAllah for the answers. Al-Bayt Al-Ma`mur is the Ka`bah of those who reside in the seventh heaven. In the Two Sahihs it is confirmed that the Messenger of Allah said in the Hadith about Al-Isra', after ascending to the seventh heaven. Then, I was taken to Al-Bayt Al-Ma`mur. It is visited every day by seventy thousand angels who will not come back to visit it again The angels worship Allah in Al-Bayt Al-Ma`mur and perform Tawaf around it just as the people of the earth perform Tawaf around the Ka`bah. Al-Bayt Al-Ma`mur is parallel to the Ka`bah; every heaven has its own house of worship, which is also the direction of prayer for its residents. The house that is located in the lower heaven, is called Bayt Al-`Izzah.
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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seekshidayath Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 3338	Posted: 10 January 2009 at 3:52am
	"And the heavens and the earth wept not for them" - This an ayah. Here's a part of the hadith, InshaAllah, shall share it in full while answering it. "There is no one who does not have a gate in the heavens through which his provision comes down and his good deeds ascend. When the believer dies, that gate is closed; it misses him and weeps for him, and the place of prayer on earth where he used to pray and remember Allah also weeps for him ---- " But heavens and the earth did not pray for one group as the ayah above says and even the rest part of hadith which is n't shared here now . Who were they ?
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Friendship Senior Member Joined: 24 August 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 883	Posted: 10 January 2009 at 11:14am
	Assalamu alikum. Correct interpretation of the verse by At-tabari. To the point of reference it narrates to Pharoah and his Jund. In the general sense it refers to all those who want to prevent the Word of Allah becoming Supreme, under the the one chosen by Allah as His Vicegerent (khalifa). This verse is an answer to the post of Asadullah where he drew the attention of those calling for Jihad to consider their motive i.e intention. Pharaoh was arrogant, ignorant. He was not illiterate. Friendship.
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seekshidayath Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 3338	Posted: 12 January 2009 at 5:56pm
	Wa'laikum Salam Yes, the correct answer is it referred to Firawn and his group. I don't know, if it for those who prevent the word of Allah becoming supreme -- Here's the hadith Ibn Jarir recorded that Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "A man came to Ibn `Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, and said to him: `O Abu Al-`Abbas, Allah says, And the heavens and the earth wept not for them, nor were they given respite" -- do the heavens and the earth weep for anybody' He, may Allah be pleased with him, said, `Yes, there is no one who does not have a gate in the heavens through which his provision comes down and his good deeds ascend. When the believer dies, that gate is closed; it misses him and weeps for him, and the place of prayer on earth where he used to pray and remember Allah also weeps for him. But the people of Fir`awn left no trace of righteousness on the earth and they had no good deeds that ascended to Allah, so the heavens and the earth did not weep for them. Next Question What is Al-Daabah ?
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Chrysalis Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2031	Posted: 13 January 2009 at 1:33am
	Al-Daabah will be one of the signs that Qiyamah is near. It will be a creature (beast), and will have the ability to reason and speak. It will also distingush b/w Believers and Disbelievers by marking them. Allah will cause it to appear when the people will become corrupt.
	"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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seekshidayath Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 3338	Posted: 15 January 2009 at 3:41am
	As Salamu Alaikum That was correct. JazakiAllahu khayr. When Ibrahim AS, was thrown in fire, what were his words ?
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Friendship Senior Member Joined: 24 August 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 883	Posted: 16 January 2009 at 3:31am
	Assalamu alaikum. Chrysalis posted: Al-Daabah will be one of the signs that Qiyamah is near. It will be a creature (beast), and will have the ability to reason and speak. It will also distingush b/w Believers and Disbelievers by marking them Allah will cause it to appear when the people will become corrupt. Response: Let us be more objective. What you wrote down is virtually in every Tafsir. The Sura was a Makkan Sura thereby teaching on Tawhid. It addressed those who actually disbelieved. Now since from the time of the Ummayds dynasty to today, we have had many despotic regimes all going agains the Shari'a. Upto today we never saw that beast. The moment one dies that is his Day of Judgment. So, if that beast would appear those dead will not see it. But the address i.e tha Daabah was general. Therefore anyone who lives in a despotic regime will symbolically see that beast. The beast in really are those true and sincere preachers who are excluded by the Muslim Umma because they preach the truth. Please read Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary on this verse. Maududi of your country said, "As for the nature general appearance, place of appearance and other details about the beast, contradictory traditions have ben reported, which only cause confusion and are not relevant to the object for which this thing has been mentioned in the Quran". Now what is the object for which the verse was revealed? Friendship.
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