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Quote PattyaMainer Replybullet Posted: 09 November 2008 at 5:59am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

There can only be One God, the Creator of the Whole Universe, who created the furthest of the planets and the tiniest of the veins, The One who knows what is the best for His beloved servants. From the time of Adam till now, His laws are the best of laws, that can fit any time and any place. And putting on a veil for a woman, is a sign of His Love towards all His female creations.

A woman who calls herself a Muslimah would always want to please her Creator. Similar like a nun who wants to please Jesus by wearing a veil.

Putting on a hijab is a sign of a woman’s love towards her Creator Allahurabbul alameen - Allah The God of the whole universe. The benefits of this action will not add or lessen the Glory of Allah - He is Self Sufficient. The reward will return to the person herself.

The hikmah or wisdom behind wearing a veil.

AllahuRabbul Alameen - The God of the Whole Universe had created men with nafs - lusts/passion/desire that starts with the eyes (sight) while the nafs of a women starts from the skin (touch). A man’s lusts gets easily aroused at the sight of a woman’s body. Some men love to see the shape or figure of a woman, some love to see the neck, some admire the hair, some love to see the backside, while most love to ogle the two hillock of a woman. Hence Allah Our Creator had given this law in order to protect man from fornication and woman from being raped or molested.

For a woman, lusts or passion starts from the skin or touch. We woman easily get aroused when being caressed, because this is our weakness. Hence the covering of our skin is to protect ourselves from being subdued by our own lusts or passion from any stranger. Our body does not belong to any man. Our precious body belongs only to our husbands, not to any Tom, Dick or Harry to salivate in private. If by looking at sexy women, some men got aroused, these women are committing a sin.

Allah indeed is Al=Aleem - Most Knowing. MashaAllah!

 
I agree with all you said, except I know that God also gave all of us self-discipline.  Men "can" become just as lustful by looking at a magazine and finding a photo of an attractive woman in it.  I do not agree with women are committing a sin, unless they are deliberating provoking the men to become attracted to them in a lustful manner.  The fault lies strictly with the men who have failed to use their God-given self discipline. 
 
And yes, our bodies do belong ONLY to our husbands if we are married. We have NO control over how men lust over women in their minds or in private.....that sin is on their souls alone.
 
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Edited by PattyaMainer - 09 November 2008 at 12:33pm
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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 10 November 2008 at 5:02am
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For a woman, lusts or passion starts from the skin or touch. We woman easily get aroused when being caressed, because this is our weakness. Hence the covering of our skin is to protect ourselves from being subdued by our own lusts or passion from any stranger. Our body does not belong to any man. Our precious body belongs only to our husbands, not to any Tom, Dick or Harry to salivate in private. If by looking at sexy women, some men got aroused, these women are committing a sin.

Allah indeed is Al=Aleem - Most Knowing. MashaAllah!



You know, I don't wear a scarf everyday.  But I certainly don't let men other than my husband touch me.  I don't think that uncovering one's hair suddenly leads to being caressed by strangers. 

I also notice that there are many who forget the tantalization of the forbidden.  Some men will obsess over what they cannot have.  Stalkers and rapists.  They would hurt a woman in full burqa just as fast as a woman in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt.  There are cases of serial rapist/murderers who were raised in strict homes.

The key is not just the headscarf.  Its the mindset.  One must be chaste in their mind.  Being modest in one's clothing can help that mindset, but its not a solution.  Avoiding racy movies, tv shows and music can help, but its not a solution.   No matter what you wear or where you live, Chastity and Modesty are very much centered in the persons head first, then expressed on the outside.
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Quote Nur_Ilahi Replybullet Posted: 10 November 2008 at 6:32am

I agree with all you said, except I know that God also gave all of us self-discipline.

Patty, self-discipline is not inborn. It is something that we have to acquire, be it ourselves or sowed by our parents.

Men "can" become just as lustful by looking at a magazine and finding a photo of an attractive woman in it.

Correct! Because as I mentioned, their lusts/passion/desire starts from the eyes (sight). No wonder phonographic websites are mostly visited by men.

I do not agree with women are committing a sin, unless they are deliberating provoking the men to become attracted to them in a lustful manner.

Right. Agreed. However, in general the way the western women dressed up, mostly are provoking men’s desire, even if the women did not realise it.

The fault lies strictly with the men who have failed to use their God-given self discipline.

It takes two hand to clap. Islam taught women to dress up modestly, and for men to lower their gaze when they communicate in public. It is not fair for women to dress up modestly, if the men are given freedom to ogle women, even if they are fully covered.

And yes, our bodies do belong ONLY to our husbands if we are married. We have NO control over how men lust over women in their minds or in private.....that sin is on their souls alone.

Any men can lust over any women, but let it not be ours. At least when the men sin, it was not because of us.

Peace be to you too.

Nur

Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Quote Nur_Ilahi Replybullet Posted: 10 November 2008 at 6:48am

You know, I don't wear a scarf everyday. But I certainly don't let men other than my husband touch me. I don't think that uncovering one's hair suddenly leads to being caressed by strangers.

But we certainly do not know what the men are thinking of when they see women especially the ones with beautiful hair. By the way, no woman in the rightful mind will let a stranger caress herself. Wearing a hijab is  just a protection. Better safe than sorry.

I also notice that there are many who forget the tantalization of the forbidden. Some men will obsess over what they cannot have. Stalkers and rapists. They would hurt a woman in full burqa just as fast as a woman in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt. There are cases of serial rapist/murderers who were raised in strict homes.

Do not talk about stalkers and rapists. They are people in the extreme end. Phsychologically unstable. We are talking about just any Tom, Dick or Ali.

The key is not just the headscarf. Its the mindset. One must be chaste in their mind. Being modest in one's clothing can help that mindset, but its not a solution. Avoiding racy movies, tv shows and music can help, but its not a solution. No matter what you wear or where you live, .

Wearing a hijab is not just about protecting women themselves, but most importantly, because of our love to Our Creator. You would do anything for someone you love don’t you Angela? Same here. For the love of Our Creator, amal makruf, nahi munkar - meaning uphold good, oppose evil.

Chastity and Modesty are very much centered in the persons head first, then expressed on the outside.

Then, it is not wrong that most Western women has got no chastity or modesty in their head, because it is being expressed in the outside.

I would like to correct you here Angela, Chastity and Modesty are very much centered in the persons heart or soul first - where God looks at.

Salam.

Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Quote Chrysalis Replybullet Posted: 10 November 2008 at 8:09am
Hijaab has many reasons etc. Some of them obvious, others not. It has many aspects to it also.
 
One aspect is that it is the IDENTITY or LABEL of a Muslimah...Just one of the aspects that tends to get lost amongst talks of sexuality. Just wanted to add. . .   Smile
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Quote Hayfa Replybullet Posted: 10 November 2008 at 9:44am

Men are susceptible to the visuals. It is just the way they are. Does this make them lacking in self-discipline per say or will end doing some horrible crime.

 

But hijab helps men to be self-disciplined. Its like people should surround themselves with people who share the same values and a positive environment.

 

There is this homeless guy, named Willie who I say hi to and see if he needs help. One day he says to me, “I’ve been looking you, etc etc.” We start chatting and he says, “when will I get to see all that hair underneath that scarf?” I laughingly respond, “Never.”

 

I agree we really don’t know what men think about. Clearly the hair has some appeal. Many men loose their so clearly they don’t need it.. lol  

 

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Quote PattyaMainer Replybullet Posted: 10 November 2008 at 11:42am
Originally posted by Hayfa

Men are susceptible to the visuals. It is just the way they are. Does this make them lacking in self-discipline per say or will end doing some horrible crime.

 

But hijab helps men to be self-disciplined. Its like people should surround themselves with people who share the same values and a positive environment.

 

There is this homeless guy, named Willie who I say hi to and see if he needs help. One day he says to me, “I’ve been looking you, etc etc.” We start chatting and he says, “when will I get to see all that hair underneath that scarf?” I laughingly respond, “Never.”

 

I agree we really don’t know what men think about. Clearly the hair has some appeal. Many men loose their so clearly they don’t need it.. lol  

 

 
Very good, Hayfa!!  You are so right about men's hair (or lack of it!)  LOLOL!
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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 10 November 2008 at 12:41pm
Ok here is where I have to come in as a male.
 
Women are just as susceptible to seduction as men are. There are Muslim women who look at half-naked men who are muscular and swoon amongst themselves, but we have to admit in conservative Muslim societies the emphasis is more on the women than men this is FACT.
 

"But hijab helps men to be self-disciplined. Its like people should surround themselves with people who share the same values and a positive environment."

 
So you are telling me I need a woman to be in head to toe covering just to be self-discipline? Self-Discipline is a developmental virtue that men ought to have. Saying hijab helps men to have self-discipline just allocates blame to women if a man falls into temptation because a woman is not Islamically covered.
 
 
 
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