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Mansoor_ali
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Topic: Challenge to Trinitarians.
Posted: 28 September 2008 at 8:36am

1-Can you bring me the Passage where Jesus says I am God

2-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus said God is three in One

3-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus claims to have dual natures i.e. fully man and fully God

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Posted: 01 October 2008 at 3:25pm

I think no body is interested to accept my challenge?

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Posted: 02 October 2008 at 10:33am

Originally posted by Mansoor_ali

I think no body is interested to accept my challenge?

where's a 10 year old kid when you need one, LOL.

Edited by Nazarene - 03 October 2008 at 11:02pm

love for all conquers all

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Posted: 05 October 2008 at 5:15pm

Let us look at the following verses from the Bible:

"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' " (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 4:8-10)"

There are some logical problems with the trinitarian in these verses:

1- Notice how satan told Jesus "if you will bow down and worship me." It is crystal clear that satan knew Jesus as a Messenger from GOD Almighty, and not GOD Almighty Himself. Otherwise, he wouldn't dare to tell his Creator that.

2- Notice Jesus' response to satan: "Away from me satan! For it is written 'Worship the LORD your God, and serve Him only". Jesus here was clearly directing satan to GOD Almighty; a being other than Jesus. Jesus did not tell satan "worship me".

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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 4:00am

Asalam Alaikum,

You do realize this has been "debated" so often on this board that for most of us its like, oh not again.. lol

The Christians on here I respect alot. Some have been here along time. And you know, they hold their views.. and I respect them cause they are nice and actually care about things. I wish we could all worry more about the people who have run amock-- wasting their lives away.

Really search down and read the old threads. Its been on about a dozen times if not more.

Nothing personal...

Hayfa

When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi

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Posted: 25 October 2008 at 7:37am

Originally posted by Mansoor_ali

1-Can you bring me the Passage where Jesus says I am God

2-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus said God is three in One

3-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus claims to have dual natures i.e. fully man and fully God

NON ARE TO BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE!

PASSAGES CAN BE MISINTREPTED TO SAY THE ABOVE BUT OTHERS TEXTS SOON SHOW WHAT A FALSE IDEA THE TRINITY IS!

Edited by robin - 26 October 2008 at 1:29am

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Daley
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Posted: 23 December 2012 at 2:25pm

Originally posted by Mansoor_ali

1-Can you bring me the Passage where Jesus says I am God

2-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus said God is three in One

3-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus claims to have dual natures i.e. fully man and fully God

I accept your challenge. This is the verse where Jesus claimed, or rather, admitted that he was God.

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believe." (John 20:28-29)

Thomas called Jesus ho karious mou kai ho theos mou, literally, the Lord OF ME and the God OF ME. So Thomas was calling Jesus his God, and Jesus blessed Thomas' profession of faith. He acknowledges Thomas' belief, and says that those who don't see and yet believe this are likewise blessed. So Jesus was expressing approval of what Thomas said.

If Jesus was not God, then what Thomas said here was blasphemy, and Jesus would have rebuked him for it, but he didn't, he agreed with Thomas. What's more, the texts says that Thomas said "to him," that is, to Jesus. He didn't call Jesus "my Lord," then look up to heaven and call the Father "my God," no, Thomas said "to him," to Jesus, "my Lord and my God," so both terms are applied to Jesus. Jesus is therefore, not only the Lord, but also the God of Thomas.

There are other places where Jesus claimed to be God, but I'll await a response to this first. I'd really like it if you could email on me email address at daleyveneita@live.com. But if you want others on this site to benefit from the discussion, so be it, post here. Thanks.

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Posted: 24 December 2012 at 8:54am

Originally posted by Daley

Originally posted by Mansoor_ali

1-Can you bring me the Passage where Jesus says I am God

2-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus said God is three in One

3-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus claims to have dual natures i.e. fully man and fully God

All added much later...we don't really know what the original New Testament contained.

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Mansoor_ali Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 25 September 2008 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 582	Topic: Challenge to Trinitarians. Posted: 28 September 2008 at 8:36am
	1-Can you bring me the Passage where Jesus says I am God 2-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus said God is three in One 3-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus claims to have dual natures i.e. fully man and fully God
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Mansoor_ali Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 25 September 2008 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 582	Posted: 01 October 2008 at 3:25pm
	I think no body is interested to accept my challenge?
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Nazarene Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 05 September 2008 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 302	Posted: 02 October 2008 at 10:33am
	*Originally posted by Mansoor_ali* I think no body is interested to accept my challenge? *where's a 10 year old kid when you need one, LOL.* Edited by Nazarene - 03 October 2008 at 11:02pm
	love for all conquers all
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Mansoor_ali Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 25 September 2008 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 582	Posted: 05 October 2008 at 5:15pm
	Let us look at the following verses from the Bible: "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' " (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 4:8-10)" There are some logical problems with the trinitarian in these verses: 1- Notice how satan told Jesus "if you will bow down and worship me." It is crystal clear that satan knew Jesus as a Messenger from GOD Almighty, and not GOD Almighty Himself. Otherwise, he wouldn't dare to tell his Creator that. 2- Notice Jesus' response to satan: "Away from me satan! For it is written 'Worship the LORD your God, and serve Him only". Jesus here was clearly directing satan to GOD Almighty; a being other than Jesus. Jesus did not tell satan "worship me".
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Hayfa Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 07 June 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 2370	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 4:00am
	Asalam Alaikum, You do realize this has been "debated" so often on this board that for most of us its like, oh not again.. lol The Christians on here I respect alot. Some have been here along time. And you know, they hold their views.. and I respect them cause they are nice and actually care about things. I wish we could all worry more about the people who have run amock-- wasting their lives away. Really search down and read the old threads. Its been on about a dozen times if not more. Nothing personal... Hayfa
	When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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robin Senior Member Joined: 17 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 595	Posted: 25 October 2008 at 7:37am
	*Originally posted by Mansoor_ali* 1-Can you bring me the Passage where Jesus says I am God 2-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus said God is three in One 3-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus claims to have dual natures i.e. fully man and fully God NON ARE TO BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE! PASSAGES CAN BE MISINTREPTED TO SAY THE ABOVE BUT OTHERS TEXTS SOON SHOW WHAT A FALSE IDEA THE TRINITY IS! Edited by robin - 26 October 2008 at 1:29am
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Daley Male Christian Starter. Joined: 23 December 2012 Location: Barbados Online Status: Offline Posts: 3	Posted: 23 December 2012 at 2:25pm
	*Originally posted by Mansoor_ali* 1-Can you bring me the Passage where Jesus says I am God 2-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus said God is three in One 3-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus claims to have dual natures i.e. fully man and fully God I accept your challenge. This is the verse where Jesus claimed, or rather, admitted that he was God. "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believe." (John 20:28-29) Thomas called Jesus ho karious mou kai ho theos mou, literally, the Lord OF ME and the God OF ME. So Thomas was calling Jesus his God, and Jesus blessed Thomas' profession of faith. He acknowledges Thomas' belief, and says that those who don't see and yet believe this are likewise blessed. So Jesus was expressing approval of what Thomas said. If Jesus was not God, then what Thomas said here was blasphemy, and Jesus would have rebuked him for it, but he didn't, he agreed with Thomas. What's more, the texts says that Thomas said "to him," that is, to Jesus. He didn't call Jesus "my Lord," then look up to heaven and call the Father "my God," no, Thomas said "to him," to Jesus, "my Lord and my God," so both terms are applied to Jesus. Jesus is therefore, not only the Lord, but also the God of Thomas. There are other places where Jesus claimed to be God, but I'll await a response to this first. I'd really like it if you could email on me email address at daleyveneita@live.com. But if you want others on this site to benefit from the discussion, so be it, post here. Thanks.
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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 24 December 2012 at 8:54am
	*Originally posted by Daley* *Originally posted by Mansoor_ali* 1-Can you bring me the Passage where Jesus says I am God 2-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus said God is three in One 3-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus claims to have dual natures i.e. fully man and fully God I accept your challenge. This is the verse where Jesus claimed, or rather, admitted that he was God. "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believe." (John 20:28-29) Thomas called Jesus ho karious mou kai ho theos mou, literally, the Lord OF ME and the God OF ME. So Thomas was calling Jesus his God, and Jesus blessed Thomas' profession of faith. He acknowledges Thomas' belief, and says that those who don't see and yet believe this are likewise blessed. So Jesus was expressing approval of what Thomas said. If Jesus was not God, then what Thomas said here was blasphemy, and Jesus would have rebuked him for it, but he didn't, he agreed with Thomas. What's more, the texts says that Thomas said "to him," that is, to Jesus. He didn't call Jesus "my Lord," then look up to heaven and call the Father "my God," no, Thomas said "to him," to Jesus, "my Lord and my God," so both terms are applied to Jesus. Jesus is therefore, not only the Lord, but also the God of Thomas. There are other places where Jesus claimed to be God, but I'll await a response to this first. I'd really like it if you could email on me email address at daleyveneita@live.com. But if you want others on this site to benefit from the discussion, so be it, post here. Thanks. All added much later...we don't really know what the original New Testament contained.
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