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   FIRST OF ALL.....PLEASE DONT COMPARE THE NOMINATION OF MU'AWIYAH WITH THE NOMINATION OF ALLAH (s.w.t)...ITS A GREAT OFFENCE.....

it seems u r comparing that Allah (s.w.t) chose prophets...and da same way mu'awiyah chose yazeed...thus the process of choosing is wrong....thats the point u r trying to make....

u have said that the "way of choosing khilafat" is not the same...and the words are just to describe a general phenomenon. which has happend in the past i.e. Making the khalifa......but ure views contradict to the views of the mufasireen..

the mufasireen of the aayah 24:55 have actually compared the situation in this aayah to be the situation of the people of Israel wen it comes to making a khalifa...and da general fact is that Prophet Moses made Prophet Joshua the successor before dying...

u can read the tafseer of this aayah from the following link:

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=24&tAyahNo=55&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0

the fightings occured due to the rebelious nature of people like mu'awiyah....those who were on haq remained on it....and no doubt whatever anybody says, Imam Ali (a.s) was on HAQ as was said by Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)..

i dont see any problem with the system of nomination by Allah (s.w.t)...as he knows everybody's intentions....and his nomination is PERFECT...and without any flaws...and that is what has happened before the time of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)...

Edited by asda - 21 October 2008 at 8:02am

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asda Senior Member Joined: 02 September 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 164	Posted: 21 October 2008 at 8:00am
	FIRST OF ALL.....PLEASE DONT COMPARE THE NOMINATION OF MU'AWIYAH WITH THE NOMINATION OF ALLAH (s.w.t)...ITS A GREAT OFFENCE..... it seems u r comparing that Allah (s.w.t) chose prophets...and da same way mu'awiyah chose yazeed...thus the process of choosing is wrong....thats the point u r trying to make.... u have said that the "way of choosing khilafat" is not the same...and the words are just to describe a general phenomenon. which has happend in the past i.e. Making the khalifa......but ure views contradict to the views of the mufasireen.. the mufasireen of the aayah 24:55 have actually compared the situation in this aayah to be the situation of the people of Israel wen it comes to making a khalifa...and da general fact is that Prophet Moses made Prophet Joshua the successor before dying... u can read the tafseer of this aayah from the following link: http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=24&tAyahNo=55&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0 the fightings occured due to the rebelious nature of people like mu'awiyah....those who were on haq remained on it....and no doubt whatever anybody says, Imam Ali (a.s) was on HAQ as was said by Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w).. i dont see any problem with the system of nomination by Allah (s.w.t)...as he knows everybody's intentions....and his nomination is PERFECT...and without any flaws...and that is what has happened before the time of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)... Edited by asda - 21 October 2008 at 8:02am
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abosait Senior Member Joined: 05 November 2008 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 375	Posted: 10 January 2009 at 6:22am
	*Originally posted by Friendship* Khilafat means vicegerency. We are all vicegerences of Allah. Qur 'an 2:30. . Friendship. Allah reiterated His favor on the Children of Adam when He stated that He mentioned them in the highest of heights before He created them. Allah said, [وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَـئِكَةِ] And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels. This Ayah means, "O Muhammad ! Mention to your people what Allah said to the angels, [إِنِّي جَاعِلٌ فِى الأَرْضِ خَلِيفَةً] Verily, I am going to place a Khalifah on earth. Meaning people reproducing generation after generation, century after century, just as Allah said, [وَهُوَ الَّذِى جَعَلَكُمْ خَلَـئِفَ الاٌّرْضِ] And it is He Who has made you (Khala'if) generations coming after generations, replacing each other on the earth (6:165), [وَيَجْعَلُكُمْ حُلَفَآءَ الاٌّرْضِ] And makes you (Khulafa') inheritors of the earth (27:62), [وَلَوْ نَشَآءُ لَجَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ مَّلَـئِكَةً فِى الاٌّرْضِ يَخْلُفُونَ ] And if it were Our will, We would have (destroyed you (mankind all, and) made angels to replace you (Yakhlufun) on the earth. (43: 60) and, [فَخَلَفَ مِن بَعْدِهِمْ خَلْفٌ] (Then after them succeeded an (evil) generation (Khalf)) (7:169). It appears that Allah was not refering to Adam specifically as Khalifah *Originally posted by Friendship* Allah explained that in Qur 'an 38:26, Prophet David's example and is general.. Friendship. This is advice from Allah, may He be exalted, to those who are in positions of authority. They should rule according to the truth and justice revealed from Him, they should not turn away from it and be led astray from the path of Allah. Allah has issued a stern warning of a severe punishment to those who go astray from His path and forget the Day of Resurrection. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibrahim Abu Zur`ah, who read the Scripture, reported that Al-Walid bin `Abd Al-Malik said to him: "Does anyone have the right to question the Khalifah You have read the first Scripture and the Qur'an, and you have understood them.'' He replied, "May I speak, O Commander of the faithful'' He said, "Speak, for you are under the protection of Allah.'' I said, "O Commander of the faithful, are you more dear to Allah, or Dawud, peace be upon him For Allah gave him both prophethood and rulership, then He warned him in His Book: [يدَاوُودُ إِنَّا جَعَلْنَـكَ خَلِيفَةً فِى الاٌّرْضِ فَاحْكُمْ بَيْنَ النَّاسِ بِالْحَقِّ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعِ الْهَوَى فَيُضِلَّكَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ] O Dawud ! Verily, We have placed you as a successor on the earth; so judge you between men in truth (and justice) and follow not your desire -- for it will mislead you from the path of Allah.'' *Originally posted by Friendship* For their function see Qur'an 22:41. Friendship. The Duties of the Muslims when They attain Power: Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that `Uthman bin `Affan said, "The Ayah: [الَّذِينَ إِنْ مَّكَّنَّـهُمْ فِى الاٌّرْضِ أَقَامُواْ الصَّلَوةَ وَآتَوُاْ الزَّكَـوةَ وَأَمَرُواْ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَنَهَوْاْ عَنِ الْمُنْكَرِ] (Those who, if We give them power in the land, (they) establish the Salah, enforce the Zakah, and they enjoin the good and forbid the evil.) was revealed concerning us, for we had been expelled from our homes unjustly only because we said: `Our Lord is Allah.' Then we were given power in the land, so we established regular prayer, paid the Zakah, enjoined what is good and forbade what is evil, and with Allah rests the end of (all) matters. This is about my companions and I.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah said, "They were the Companions of Muhammad .'' As-Sabah bin Suwadah Al-Kindi said, "I heard `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz give a speech and say: [الَّذِينَ إِنْ مَّكَّنَّـهُمْ فِى الاٌّرْضِ] Those who, if We give them power in the land.... Then he said, "This is not obligatory only for those who are in authority, it also applies to those who are governed by them. Shall I not tell you what you can expect from your governor, and what duties those who are ruled owe to him Your rights over your governor are that he should check on you with regard to your duties towards Allah and restore the rights that you have over one another, and that he should guide you to the straight path as much as possible. Your duties towards him are that you should obey him without cheating and without resentment, and you should obey him both in secret and openly.'' ` Atiyah Al-`Awfi said, "This Ayah is like the Ayah: [وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ ءامَنُواْ مِنْكُمْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّـلِحَاتِ لَيَسْتَخْلِفَنَّهُمْ فِى الاْرْضِ] (Allah has promised those among you who believe and do righteous good deeds, that He will certainly grant them succession to (the present rulers) in the land) [24:55]. [وَلِلَّهِ عَـقِبَةُ الاٍّمُورِ] (And with Allah rests the end of (all) matters.) This is like the Ayah: [وَالْعَـقِبَةُ لِلْمُتَّقِينَ] (And the good end is for those who have Taqwa) [28:83]. Zayd bin Aslam said: [وَلِلَّهِ عَـقِبَةُ الاٍّمُورِ] (And with Allah rests the end of (all) matters.) "And with Allah will be the reward for what they did.'' Edited by abosait - 11 January 2009 at 3:01am
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