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Posted: 09 May 2005 at 10:52pm

Please understand that God, is the God of History, meaning
God is the God of Time and so the proof of the Crucifixion is the
date of the Crucifixion ending at 3pm Friday, April 7th AD30 on
Passover eve.

And 3,900 years (1300 x 3) after the creation of Adam, and
Adam was filled with the breath of life some 50 days later, so
that the first day of the Church was 3,900 years after Adam
received the power.

Adam became a Traitor one day after his wife Eve, at 12,881
days after his creation and receiving the breath of life, so on
September 2nd 3836BC Adam became a Traitor.

From the conception of Mary by the Holy Ghost to the death of
Jesus was 12,880 days and 12,881 days to his full day down in
Hades, once called Paradise.

And this is just the start of how the calculations in time fit
together like a jigsaw puzzle in time.

"Ignorance is no refuge"

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Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:45pm

Originally posted by Patty

Question: If Christ really rose from the dead, the event would be in secular literature, and it's not. The only reports are from Christian writers.

Response: There's a catch-22 in that comment, and both sides work in our favor;

•If a person looked into the claims of Christ's resurrection and concluded they were true, that person did not dispassionately do nothing. They became Christian
•If they wrote about it, they are considered a Christian writer......

and exactly who were these christian writers? You mean St. Paul? I don't think he ever met Jesus in his life time what to write about him. Others, like the gospel of John or Matthew are now known to be the authored by the anonymous personalities and not the disciples of Jesus. Rest of the two authors of the gospels are by default not among the 12 disciples of the Jesus. So who were they other than St. Paul? That is the reason we see Jesus in these books only through the monocule of St. Paul and not what he himself has said.

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Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:59pm

Originally posted by JohnDM

Please understand that God, is the God of History, meaning
God is the God of Time and so the proof of the Crucifixion is the
date of the Crucifixion ending at 3pm Friday, April 7th AD30 on
Passover eve.

And 3,900 years (1300 x 3) after the creation of Adam, and
Adam was filled with the breath of life some 50 days later, so
that the first day of the Church was 3,900 years after Adam
received the power.

Adam became a Traitor one day after his wife Eve, at 12,881
days after his creation and receiving the breath of life, so on
September 2nd 3836BC Adam became a Traitor.

From the conception of Mary by the Holy Ghost to the death of
Jesus was 12,880 days and 12,881 days to his full day down in
Hades, once called Paradise.

And this is just the start of how the calculations in time fit
together like a jigsaw puzzle in time.

Brother JohnDM,

I think 'traitor' is a wrong word for people like Prophets. Don't you think so? If I commit a mistake, would I become a traitor? I don't think so, especially if I repent and then Allah forgive me. According to Islam Prophets are no ordinary people. They are specially chosen to spread the message of God to His creation. Prophet Adam, being the first human creation of God, has a special status where it was him to whom God asked all the angels to bow down to him. All did bow to Adam except the Satan. For this reason, satan got enmity with humans. BTW, bowing to Adam was only to show his superiority over all creations of God and not for worship reasons.

Regarding your statement of "conception of Mary by the Holy Ghost", suffice is to say that it is a lie against God or against the angel Gaberil or what ever you imply to mean Holy Ghost. God doesn't need to obey human laws to create anything. He simply says "Be" and thats it all shall be done automatically.

Regarding Jigsaw puzzle, I can only say that puzzle is only in your mind (one in three or three in one etc), the muslims don't have any puzzle about identity of Jesus, so what to talke about solving it? Cheers!

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Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:47pm

The spirit of the Holy Ghost is the LAMB of God.

And the reference number for the LAMB of God is 1288 and
there were 12,880 days from conception of Mary by the Holy
Ghost at 2:30am January 1, 6BC to 3:03pm Friday, April 7,
AD30 when Jesus Christ gave back the Holy Ghost to God just
before he died. So the soul of Jesus was left naked for the spirit
body was gone, and so the soul of Jesus entered the prison in
Hades where he preached. Then come early Sunday morning
the Spirit of God came down into Hades and raised up the soul
of Jesus which entered his natural body which came back to
life. Jesus then went up to Heaven and handed God some
drops of his blood in the Temple of God to show the ultimate
sacrifice had been made. He was then given back the Holy
Ghost, and returned to Earth. So his natural body was now the
Temple of the Holy Ghost as are many but not all Christians.

He had received the Holy Ghost at his baptism on his 32nd
birthday on October 1, AD27 when John the Baptist baptised
him.

And 266 days later on June 24th AD28 John was decapitated
on the birthday of Herod, Then 653 days after this Jesus was
crucified.

The make up of the LAMB of God is a lamb + a lion + 7 eyes,
the burning lamps of God, and 7 horns and all add up to 1288.

But then Eve's number for he sin is 12,880

And the weight of the Statue of Freedom on the Capitol dome
Washington D.C. is 14,985 pounds or 666 x 15 x 1.5 (this kind
of freedom is death).

And 14,985 pounds as tons is 6.689732143 tons and cubed
thrice and divided by 1.5 is 1.28808470e+22.

And the reference number for Adam is 12881 and Eve at 12880
so together as one unit at 12880.5 and so 666 is seen in the
make up and the coming together of Adam and Eve both a
fallen man and a feman.

And so on

"Ignorance is no refuge"

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Posted: 10 May 2005 at 4:35pm

Originally posted by JohnDM

The spirit of the Holy Ghost is the LAMB of God.

And the reference number for the LAMB of God is 1288 and
there were 12,880 days from conception of Mary by the Holy
Ghost at 2:30am January 1, 6BC to 3:03pm Friday, April 7,
AD30 when Jesus Christ gave back the Holy Ghost to God just
before he died. So the soul of Jesus was left naked for the spirit
body was gone, and so the soul of Jesus entered the prison in
Hades where he preached. Then come early Sunday morning
the Spirit of God came down into Hades and raised up the soul
of Jesus which entered his natural body which came back to
life. Jesus then went up to Heaven and handed God some
drops of his blood in the Temple of God to show the ultimate
sacrifice had been made. He was then given back the Holy
Ghost, and returned to Earth. So his natural body was now the
Temple of the Holy Ghost as are many but not all Christians.

What a story!! But from where you got this one? Believe me, I never heard of it before. However, who got this story made up by traveling with Jesus all through these places? Secondly, the story says Jesus went to Hell (Hades) after he died and yet you consider him god?? This is extremely strange view; never heard of before, not even the polythiests could be imagined saying this.

He had received the Holy Ghost at his baptism on his 32nd
birthday on October 1, AD27 when John the Baptist baptised
him.

Whose birthday are you talking about? Kindly check your record; shouldn't it be the christmas? Are you trying to bring the result out of nowhere by stretching your math too hard to reach the final number you already assumed?

...

The make up of the LAMB of God is a lamb + a lion + 7 eyes,
the burning lamps of God, and 7 horns and all add up to 1288.

But then Eve's number for he sin is 12,880

And the weight of the Statue of Freedom on the Capitol dome
Washington D.C. is 14,985 pounds or 666 x 15 x 1.5 (this kind
of freedom is death).

And 14,985 pounds as tons is 6.689732143 tons and cubed
thrice and divided by 1.5 is 1.28808470e+22.

And the reference number for Adam is 12881 and Eve at 12880
so together as one unit at 12880.5 and so 666 is seen in the
make up and the coming together of Adam and Eve both a
fallen man and a feman.

And so on

Oh, I see what you mean here.. Probably you assume that we all got bored by talking serious stuff about christianity. So its high time to take a break with your humourous jokes. keep it up with your jokes, probably you may get bored yourself within this stuff. Cheers!

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Posted: 10 May 2005 at 11:49pm

Mmm...

Hell is below Hades, once Paradise.

The flag flying over the Gates of Hell is that of the Skull and
Crossbones at 611 (skull 322 + crossbones 17 x 17)

And 611 x 6110 and square root divided by 0.15 is 12881.011
the reference for the Traitor Adam.

And 6.1100000e+41 x 611 and square root and cube root
thrice x 2,240 pounds weight is Freedom at 14,985.0070
pounds the weight of the goddess Columbia, the goddess of
Washington D.C. and America.

PS
Jesus was 32 years old at his baptism of which two years as a
babe was spent in Egypt.

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Posted: 12 May 2005 at 9:15am

JohnDM, some calculations you did there

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Posted: 12 May 2005 at 9:21am

JohnDM, I have one big word...

Huh ??

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JohnDM Guest Group Joined: 25 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 264	Posted: 09 May 2005 at 10:52pm
	Please understand that God, is the God of History, meaning God is the God of Time and so the proof of the Crucifixion is the date of the Crucifixion ending at 3pm Friday, April 7th AD30 on Passover eve. And 3,900 years (1300 x 3) after the creation of Adam, and Adam was filled with the breath of life some 50 days later, so that the first day of the Church was 3,900 years after Adam received the power. Adam became a Traitor one day after his wife Eve, at 12,881 days after his creation and receiving the breath of life, so on September 2nd 3836BC Adam became a Traitor. From the conception of Mary by the Holy Ghost to the death of Jesus was 12,880 days and 12,881 days to his full day down in Hades, once called Paradise. And this is just the start of how the calculations in time fit together like a jigsaw puzzle in time.
	"Ignorance is no refuge"
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AhmadJoyia Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 1161	Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:45pm
	*Originally posted by Patty* Question: If Christ really rose from the dead, the event would be in secular literature, and it's not. The only reports are from Christian writers. Response: There's a catch-22 in that comment, and both sides work in our favor; •If a person looked into the claims of Christ's resurrection and concluded they were true, that person did not dispassionately do nothing. They became Christian •If they wrote about it, they are considered a Christian writer...... and exactly who were these christian writers? You mean St. Paul? I don't think he ever met Jesus in his life time what to write about him. Others, like the gospel of John or Matthew are now known to be the authored by the anonymous personalities and not the disciples of Jesus. Rest of the two authors of the gospels are by default not among the 12 disciples of the Jesus. So who were they other than St. Paul? That is the reason we see Jesus in these books only through the monocule of St. Paul and not what he himself has said.
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AhmadJoyia Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 1161	Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:59pm
	*Originally posted by JohnDM* Please understand that God, is the God of History, meaning God is the God of Time and so the proof of the Crucifixion is the date of the Crucifixion ending at 3pm Friday, April 7th AD30 on Passover eve. And 3,900 years (1300 x 3) after the creation of Adam, and Adam was filled with the breath of life some 50 days later, so that the first day of the Church was 3,900 years after Adam received the power. Adam became a Traitor one day after his wife Eve, at 12,881 days after his creation and receiving the breath of life, so on September 2nd 3836BC Adam became a Traitor. From the conception of Mary by the Holy Ghost to the death of Jesus was 12,880 days and 12,881 days to his full day down in Hades, once called Paradise. And this is just the start of how the calculations in time fit together like a jigsaw puzzle in time. Brother JohnDM, I think 'traitor' is a wrong word for people like Prophets. Don't you think so? If I commit a mistake, would I become a traitor? I don't think so, especially if I repent and then Allah forgive me. According to Islam Prophets are no ordinary people. They are specially chosen to spread the message of God to His creation. Prophet Adam, being the first human creation of God, has a special status where it was him to whom God asked all the angels to bow down to him. All did bow to Adam except the Satan. For this reason, satan got enmity with humans. BTW, bowing to Adam was only to show his superiority over all creations of God and not for worship reasons. Regarding your statement of "conception of Mary by the Holy Ghost", suffice is to say that it is a lie against God or against the angel Gaberil or what ever you imply to mean Holy Ghost. God doesn't need to obey human laws to create anything. He simply says "Be" and thats it all shall be done automatically. Regarding Jigsaw puzzle, I can only say that puzzle is only in your mind (one in three or three in one etc), the muslims don't have any puzzle about identity of Jesus, so what to talke about solving it? Cheers!
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JohnDM Guest Group Joined: 25 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 264	Posted: 10 May 2005 at 2:47pm
	The spirit of the Holy Ghost is the LAMB of God. And the reference number for the LAMB of God is 1288 and there were 12,880 days from conception of Mary by the Holy Ghost at 2:30am January 1, 6BC to 3:03pm Friday, April 7, AD30 when Jesus Christ gave back the Holy Ghost to God just before he died. So the soul of Jesus was left naked for the spirit body was gone, and so the soul of Jesus entered the prison in Hades where he preached. Then come early Sunday morning the Spirit of God came down into Hades and raised up the soul of Jesus which entered his natural body which came back to life. Jesus then went up to Heaven and handed God some drops of his blood in the Temple of God to show the ultimate sacrifice had been made. He was then given back the Holy Ghost, and returned to Earth. So his natural body was now the Temple of the Holy Ghost as are many but not all Christians. He had received the Holy Ghost at his baptism on his 32nd birthday on October 1, AD27 when John the Baptist baptised him. And 266 days later on June 24th AD28 John was decapitated on the birthday of Herod, Then 653 days after this Jesus was crucified. The make up of the LAMB of God is a lamb + a lion + 7 eyes, the burning lamps of God, and 7 horns and all add up to 1288. But then Eve's number for he sin is 12,880 And the weight of the Statue of Freedom on the Capitol dome Washington D.C. is 14,985 pounds or 666 x 15 x 1.5 (this kind of freedom is death). And 14,985 pounds as tons is 6.689732143 tons and cubed thrice and divided by 1.5 is 1.28808470e+22. And the reference number for Adam is 12881 and Eve at 12880 so together as one unit at 12880.5 and so 666 is seen in the make up and the coming together of Adam and Eve both a fallen man and a feman. And so on
	"Ignorance is no refuge"
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AhmadJoyia Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 1161	Posted: 10 May 2005 at 4:35pm
	*Originally posted by JohnDM* The spirit of the Holy Ghost is the LAMB of God. And the reference number for the LAMB of God is 1288 and there were 12,880 days from conception of Mary by the Holy Ghost at 2:30am January 1, 6BC to 3:03pm Friday, April 7, AD30 when Jesus Christ gave back the Holy Ghost to God just before he died. So the soul of Jesus was left naked for the spirit body was gone, and so the soul of Jesus entered the prison in Hades where he preached. Then come early Sunday morning the Spirit of God came down into Hades and raised up the soul of Jesus which entered his natural body which came back to life. Jesus then went up to Heaven and handed God some drops of his blood in the Temple of God to show the ultimate sacrifice had been made. He was then given back the Holy Ghost, and returned to Earth. So his natural body was now the Temple of the Holy Ghost as are many but not all Christians. What a story!! But from where you got this one? Believe me, I never heard of it before. However, who got this story made up by traveling with Jesus all through these places? Secondly, the story says Jesus went to Hell (Hades) after he died and yet you consider him god?? This is extremely strange view; never heard of before, not even the polythiests could be imagined saying this. He had received the Holy Ghost at his baptism on his 32nd birthday on October 1, AD27 when John the Baptist baptised him. Whose birthday are you talking about? Kindly check your record; shouldn't it be the christmas? Are you trying to bring the result out of nowhere by stretching your math too hard to reach the final number you already assumed? ... The make up of the LAMB of God is a lamb + a lion + 7 eyes, the burning lamps of God, and 7 horns and all add up to 1288. But then Eve's number for he sin is 12,880 And the weight of the Statue of Freedom on the Capitol dome Washington D.C. is 14,985 pounds or 666 x 15 x 1.5 (this kind of freedom is death). And 14,985 pounds as tons is 6.689732143 tons and cubed thrice and divided by 1.5 is 1.28808470e+22. And the reference number for Adam is 12881 and Eve at 12880 so together as one unit at 12880.5 and so 666 is seen in the make up and the coming together of Adam and Eve both a fallen man and a feman. And so on Oh, I see what you mean here.. Probably you assume that we all got bored by talking serious stuff about christianity. So its high time to take a break with your humourous jokes. keep it up with your jokes, probably you may get bored yourself within this stuff. Cheers!
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JohnDM Guest Group Joined: 25 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 264	Posted: 10 May 2005 at 11:49pm
	Mmm... Hell is below Hades, once Paradise. The flag flying over the Gates of Hell is that of the Skull and Crossbones at 611 (skull 322 + crossbones 17 x 17) And 611 x 6110 and square root divided by 0.15 is 12881.011 the reference for the Traitor Adam. And 6.1100000e+41 x 611 and square root and cube root thrice x 2,240 pounds weight is Freedom at 14,985.0070 pounds the weight of the goddess Columbia, the goddess of Washington D.C. and America. PS Jesus was 32 years old at his baptism of which two years as a babe was spent in Egypt.
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Angel Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6626	Posted: 12 May 2005 at 9:15am
	JohnDM, some calculations you did there
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Angel Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6626	Posted: 12 May 2005 at 9:21am
	JohnDM, I have one big word... Huh ??
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