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Saladin
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Posted: 31 October 2008 at 4:23am

Masturbation would have nothing to do with chastity IF it could be done with a blank mind. Could it?

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Posted: 31 October 2008 at 6:33am

im unable to quit it.Is it really a sin?I read somewhere that it is in no case a sin but I still pray to Allah every night to help me direct on right path.

I last max 10 days but then loose control.

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Posted: 31 October 2008 at 4:15pm

Originally posted by Saladin

Masturbation would have nothing to do with chastity IF it could be done with a blank mind. Could it?

I'm not sure I follow you. It can be done without lusting after a particular person, if that's what you mean. It can also be done while fantasizing about a perfectly legitimate relationship with a future wife -- or with a slave girl, which (remarkably!) I understand is permissible in Islam.

Addeenul ‘Aql – Religion is intellect.

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Posted: 31 October 2008 at 8:35pm

so...is it allowed or not?!

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Posted: 02 November 2008 at 11:22pm

Nabil according to scholars it is not. But I' incline that masturbation was held as a cultural taboo than as a legitimate problem. Masturbation is antural phenomena even among babies. As adolescence children tend to explore their sex organs. again masturbation has nothing to do with chastity even on the pure metaphysical sense as Saladin explains. Again, how do we identify men being chaste has pure minds? Are you suddenly unchaste if you have a 'dirty mind?' Because men haven't been questione don their chastity I believe this issue is quite difficult to comment on. Because again unlike women we do not possess a hymen where according to some culture justify their "honor killings" if the hymen is not intact. But Nabil to answer your question whether masturbation is perimitted or not in Islam it is held to be impermissible.

People here know me for my seemingly unorthodox seemingly unislamic views but if you asked me as a professional I'd say masturbation is perfectly healthy and normal (depending on your age). I'd rather encourage you to masturbate then have reckless pre-martial sex and possibly contract an STD.

As a regular person I wouldn't care what you do. But before you do anything consult with God on these matters first, but do so if you honestly feel what you are doing is really a sin. Everyone here has an opinion but really you are the person dealing with the issue and if you are a good listener listen to your heart.

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Posted: 01 December 2008 at 5:56am

so its fine ? cuz im doin it...

man,im still confused.

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Posted: 07 December 2008 at 7:58pm

Nabil, its haram It is using what Allah(SWT) gives us in the wrong way. Not only that, but as in your case we get addicted to the pleasure. Masturbation blocks us from Allah (SWT), in that we take pleasure in the temporary world, more than our prayer and submission to Allah (SWT). I think that a personal inventory will help you.

1.Your conscious must bother you for you to post this, no?
2.How is Allah glorified in your acts?
3.Does this act help you get into Jannah?

I think that these other people are trying to justify it in order to continue in their own pleasure. If you asked Allah this, what do you think he would say?

Edited by tlduker - 07 December 2008 at 8:02pm

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Narrated An-Nu'man bin Bashir: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'Both legal and illegal things are evident but in between them there are doubtful (suspicious) things and most of the people have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from these suspicious things saves his religion and his honor. And whoever indulges in these suspicious things is like a shepherd who grazes (his animals) near the Hima (private pasture) of someone else and at any moment he is liable to get in it. (O people!) Beware! Every king has a Hima and the Hima of Allah on the earth is His illegal (forbidden) things. Beware! There is a piece of flesh in the body if it becomes good (reformed) the whole body becomes good but if it gets spoilt the whole body gets spoilt and that is the heart. (Book #2, Hadith #49)

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Saladin Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 04 September 2007 Location: Sri Lanka Online Status: Offline Posts: 575	Posted: 31 October 2008 at 4:23am
	Masturbation would have nothing to do with chastity IF it could be done with a blank mind. Could it?
	'Trust everyone but not the devil in them'
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Nabil Newbie Joined: 29 May 2008 Location: Iran Online Status: Offline Posts: 25	Posted: 31 October 2008 at 6:33am
	im unable to quit it.Is it really a sin?I read somewhere that it is in no case a sin but I still pray to Allah every night to help me direct on right path. I last max 10 days but then loose control.
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Ron Webb Male Humanism Senior Member Joined: 30 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1402	Posted: 31 October 2008 at 4:15pm
	*Originally posted by Saladin* Masturbation would have nothing to do with chastity IF it could be done with a blank mind. Could it? I'm not sure I follow you. It can be done without lusting after a particular person, if that's what you mean. It can also be done while fantasizing about a perfectly legitimate relationship with a future wife -- or with a slave girl, which (remarkably!) I understand is permissible in Islam.
	Addeenul ‘Aql – Religion is intellect.
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Nabil Newbie Joined: 29 May 2008 Location: Iran Online Status: Offline Posts: 25	Posted: 31 October 2008 at 8:35pm
	so...is it allowed or not?!
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Israfil Senior Member Joined: 08 September 2003 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3984	Posted: 02 November 2008 at 11:22pm
	Nabil according to scholars it is not. But I' incline that masturbation was held as a cultural taboo than as a legitimate problem. Masturbation is antural phenomena even among babies. As adolescence children tend to explore their sex organs. again masturbation has nothing to do with chastity even on the pure metaphysical sense as Saladin explains. Again, how do we identify men being chaste has pure minds? Are you suddenly unchaste if you have a 'dirty mind?' Because men haven't been questione don their chastity I believe this issue is quite difficult to comment on. Because again unlike women we do not possess a hymen where according to some culture justify their "honor killings" if the hymen is not intact. But Nabil to answer your question whether masturbation is perimitted or not in Islam it is held to be impermissible. People here know me for my seemingly unorthodox seemingly unislamic views but if you asked me as a professional I'd say masturbation is perfectly healthy and normal (depending on your age). I'd rather encourage you to masturbate then have reckless pre-martial sex and possibly contract an STD. As a regular person I wouldn't care what you do. But before you do anything consult with God on these matters first, but do so if you honestly feel what you are doing is really a sin. Everyone here has an opinion but really you are the person dealing with the issue and if you are a good listener listen to your heart.
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Nabil Newbie Joined: 29 May 2008 Location: Iran Online Status: Offline Posts: 25	Posted: 01 December 2008 at 5:56am
	so its fine ? cuz im doin it... man,im still confused.
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tlduker Starter Joined: 07 December 2008 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1	Posted: 07 December 2008 at 7:58pm
	Nabil, its haram It is using what Allah(SWT) gives us in the wrong way. Not only that, but as in your case we get addicted to the pleasure. Masturbation blocks us from Allah (SWT), in that we take pleasure in the temporary world, more than our prayer and submission to Allah (SWT). I think that a personal inventory will help you. 1.Your conscious must bother you for you to post this, no? 2.How is Allah glorified in your acts? 3.Does this act help you get into Jannah? I think that these other people are trying to justify it in order to continue in their own pleasure. If you asked Allah this, what do you think he would say? Edited by tlduker - 07 December 2008 at 8:02pm
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Talib_Asadullah Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 04 January 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 128	Posted: 18 January 2009 at 11:26am
	Narrated An-Nu'man bin Bashir: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'Both legal and illegal things are evident but in between them there are doubtful (suspicious) things and most of the people have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from these suspicious things saves his religion and his honor. And whoever indulges in these suspicious things is like a shepherd who grazes (his animals) near the Hima (private pasture) of someone else and at any moment he is liable to get in it. (O people!) Beware! Every king has a Hima and the Hima of Allah on the earth is His illegal (forbidden) things. Beware! There is a piece of flesh in the body if it becomes good (reformed) the whole body becomes good but if it gets spoilt the whole body gets spoilt and that is the heart. (Book #2, Hadith #49)
	Al-Qur'an was-Sunnah
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