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Quote DavidC Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 12:03pm
The amount of "purely human conjecture" involved in the NT canonization,
in my judgement, is less than the amount involved in the canonization of
hadith literature in Islam.

Christians have no "weak" or "strong" evaluations of NT, and there are no
Christians who reject the NT outright as Shias do the hadith.
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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:06pm

All due respect for your judgement, but it may be pointed out that though ahadith literature doesn't stand at par with Quran, simply because of its human authorships, its acceptance is based on scientific methodology of verification and hence authentication. Dubious authorship is one of the foremost indication for declaring any such writting as "Weak" and therefore unreliable and hence unworthy of any consideration. No faith based arguments can be accepted for such work. Matter of outright rejection of hadith from Shias is more of a faith based than secientific reasoning, hence don't consider it worth a problem at all. On the more, Yes, there are some serious objection by them, that do need serious consideration of thoughts; but again, they also bring in the logical arguments to make their case and not merely the faith based. 

On the other hand, in the case of NT, we don't have such a thing known as logical argumentation. Nearly everything is based upon faith. Though you say there is no such thing as "weak" or "strong" evalutions of NT in Christianity, yet each and every church have its own interpretation of the same Bible, depending upon whom you ask to. I guess it all depends upon which verse of the Bible one likes it more over the others and hence have the relative "strong" over "weak" verses in their doctrinal differences among themselves that too, all based upon faith alone.

Yet another level of difficulty, other than dubious authorship, arises from the fact that the teachings of Prohet Jesus in original language have been permanently lost. Hence everything we have in Bible is again an interpretation of someone who translated it or who related it from that source in another language.

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Quote angela mcbride Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2005 at 4:58am

I think you guys may be interested in www.freewebs.com/holygrail/

Maybe Jesus did manage to leave us an untouchable message after all.

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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2005 at 11:27pm
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I think you guys may be interested in www.freewebs.com/holygrail/

Maybe Jesus did manage to leave us an untouchable message after all.

O my goodness!! Yet another christian denomination or what? What is this holygrail has to do with Bible or Jesus? No clue as what this site is upto. Kindly explain it yourself than refering to un-ending website like this.



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Quote angela mcbride Replybullet Posted: 15 August 2005 at 1:10am

 The holy grail would seem to be the scroll with seven seals Book roll of the lamb, as predicterd in revelations. It has been buried for millenia in the Lord's Prayer and I have the code.It could also arguably be the arc of the covenant, omega code,rod of measure.

I have accepted the Randi Foundation supernatural challenge by offering to open it for him. For the challenge acceptance he requires preliminary proof which the web site (challenge acceptance) already contains(Home page-chapter "what will I do for the prliminaries").

I've said a little more about it on the new members introduction page.

IF anyone here is interested in this, I would like to talk to them. Then I will begin a new topic for it, or not.



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Quote Deus Replybullet Posted: 16 August 2005 at 11:01am
I have interest in your holy grail, but I don't want to divert from the topic of this thread. But I'm wondering whose holy grail are you talking about? The grail of the Celts? The grail of the Fisher King? Or the grail of King Arthur?
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Quote angela mcbride Replybullet Posted: 16 August 2005 at 12:44pm

would seem to be all of the above and my "theory" is that something similar may be possible with the Islamic oral tradition and thought some of you (who dare) may like to try it. I would be delighted if it turned out to be true.I can't imagine God placing it in only a Christian English text and anyway I'm a palistinian at heart.

I've added a visual representation of the scroll to my site today,again www.freewebs.com/holygrail/  the code refers to a locatin in England in "grail country" (a geographical miiddel point between stone henge avebury and glastonbury - the so called magic triangle (for lay line freaks) and crop circle country



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Quote angela mcbride Replybullet Posted: 18 August 2005 at 3:33am

This code  is a message which brings all of the above together. It's a message refering to the celtic godess asking me a celtic person to go to her territory. It is coded in grail symbols (arthurian & bloodline) and the spiral which it forms is also among other religions a celtic symbol.

The Christian connection is the Lord's prayer.

No one knows what the grail actually is but this code has EVERYTHING to do with it.

I've added visuals to my site making it way easier to understand.

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