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Quote saalih Replybullet Topic: THE CREED OF THE SHI’AISM
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Quote rami Replybullet Posted: 24 June 2005 at 4:04am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Shi'aism and Islam are indeed different religions.


Are you saying Shia are not Muslims?

please answer this point beffore anything else.

What Do Scholars of AhluSunnah in the Past and Present say about Shia (Rafidah) ?


So does a statment made about a particular group of shia 1200 years ago still apply to shia who believe Allah is one and Rasul allah(sallah llahu alahi wa sallam) is his messenger in our time?



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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Quote rami Replybullet Posted: 24 June 2005 at 4:08am
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Links to that site will not be allowed, it makes takfir of muslims and it is in violation of forum guidlines.

I will further add it has outright lies in other sections.


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Quote hkrespect Replybullet Posted: 24 June 2005 at 7:46am

some shia are outright kaafirs

as are some so called sunnis like - ahmadiya and qadiyaani

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So does a statment made about a particular group of shia 1200 years ago
still apply to shia who believe Allah is one and Rasul allah(sallah
llahu alahi wa sallam) is his messenger in our time?


Are you saying there is nothing that can nullify shahada?

This fatwas cannot be applied on individuals but it can be applied on shiism and the one who follows its teachings 100%. There is many shia who dont by the idea of hidden imam or that sahaba become apostates or that todays quran is not the same as in prophets(saw) time. And in many shia community's the majority have always seen muta as something ugly.
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Quote Ali Zaki Replybullet Posted: 24 June 2005 at 8:00am

Alhamdullila!

They have revealed their true face (the Salafi's and Wahabbi's) and IT HAS BECOME CLEAR WHO IS CREATING THE FITNA IN THE UMMA OF RASULALLAH (A.S.).

For anyone who is interested in an actual Sunni-Shia dialogue from two respected scholars of their day, please see http://al-islam.org/murajaat/index.htm. This presents (and discusses) the ACTUAL differences between Sunni and Shia.

"The structure of faith is supported by four pillars endurance, conviction, justice and jihad."

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Quote saalih Replybullet Posted: 24 June 2005 at 8:02am

they don't except any saying of the prophet from bukhari or muslims or any of the other four books. how can a someone be a muslim if he doesn't except the sahih hadiths of the prophet.

he who rejects the hadiths have rejected the quran.

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Quote Ali Zaki Replybullet Posted: 24 June 2005 at 8:15am

Br. Shakur,

We do not reject ALL of the hadith in Muslim or Bukhari, however, we do not accept them as Saheeh. In general, The Shia do not accept any collection of hadith as being Saheeh (except, possibly, Al-Kafi) and the only book that is relied upon 100% is the Holy Quran. This idea that an ENTIRE BOOK can not be criticized (other then Quran) is not supported by Quran, Sunnah or Hadith. The Shia science of hadith collects hadith, categorizes them and but them all (with their chains of naration) in a collection. This collection is continously re-evaluated by scholars and discussed.

For those who believe that Muslim and Buhkari do not contain false hadith (and hadith the support Imam Ali (a.s.) as the first Caliph), please see http://al-islam.org/ask/8.html (which includes direct quotes from these two books that can be verified by anyone).

"The structure of faith is supported by four pillars endurance, conviction, justice and jihad."

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