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bullet Posted: 11 August 2008 at 10:04am

LOL!!  Let me help you a bit:

Ony GOD is sinless.

Only His Word is sinless.
 
Making Mohammad sinless makes him a god and a partner to Allah.
 
My question about the wives is me just trying to understand why Mohammad felt he was above the rules of the Quran especially after the verse where Allah tells him to say I am just a man like you.
 
I still wonder why the porn link was given to me.
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bullet Posted: 11 August 2008 at 11:32am
 
 believer:
 
Making Mohammad sinless makes him a god and a partner to Allah.
 
 But you have Jesus as a god and sinless. So Jesus is definitely a partner to God. Is he a helper for God and in what respect he is a partner? Might be a shareholder. Jesus seems to be a separate entity because according to church, he is sitting at right hand of God. So must still be different from God and both the real Big God and Jesus must be sitting close together.
 
  It is a silly thing to say that God is sinless. It is a silly thing to even think about sin in respect of God. God does not need your certificates. Please think over.
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bullet Posted: 11 August 2008 at 11:49am
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Originally posted by Israfil

 
I see you will not apologize for falsely assuming I said something I didn't. Ah the self-righteous people amuse me.
 
Perhaps I missed that. Point to me the exact words and phrase. I will try to explain that.
 
By the way you were also falsely assuming that there were segregation in the mosque when even in Masjidil Haram there were none.
 
 
 
 
Yes you did miss that and I would appreciate an apology for falsely accusing me publically for something I did not say. This was the same respect I affored you when I made that same mistake. I made a sincere apology without hesitation. Interesting, someone who considers theirself righteous and a proponent for Islam you sure have a problem with socialization. I guess you tried making up for your mistakes by saying I'm false assuming that the mosques were segregated. Well, didn't you read Hayfa's post about small children? Where do you suspect those children received their ideas from? Adults? themselves? Some mosques are egregated and if its not by ethnicity its by nationality. It hyas and still continues to happen. The reason it doesn't happen in the city of Mecca during Hajj is because there is no room for segregation since, its like over 1 million pople trying to fit in one small complex.
 
Nur_Ilahi with all your self-righteousness you don't get it I suppose. You don't know me over the internet. Know do you know me in real life. Becareful in assuming what I am.
 
 
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bullet Posted: 11 August 2008 at 1:26pm
 
 
I spoke to a young woman from Ivory Coast a couple of weeks ago.. and she was saying at some mosques she does not feel welcome and people stare at her.
 
No one is saying Islam does this. But Muslim do. And examining the root causes of prejudices that DO exist.
 
Islam has many beautiful aspects...that in our human weaknesses we cannot uphold. It can be class divide, ethnic/ race, gender, supposed proponents of "i know more than you" groups.. everyone wants to break people apart.
 
I recently read a book about this young man geowing up in Serbia during the conflict. And he talked about the oppression from the different groups upon each other. And the people who turned on their neighbors, blaming their neighbor for al lthe political conflicts etc. And he gave examples in his own experience of people who stood up to this.    
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bullet Posted: 12 August 2008 at 5:40am
Originally posted by Israfil

 
Nur_Ilahi with all your self-righteousness you don't get it I suppose. You don't know me over the internet. Know do you know me in real life. Becareful in assuming what I am.
 
 
 
Israfil, you made a a grave error to Allah in saying something that should not be said by a Muslim, and I am yet to see you asking forgiveness from Allah Subhanahuwataala.
 
By the way, Israfil, for your information, during Hajj, Masjidil Haram can occupy more than 3 million people not counting those on the roadside and the pathways outside it.
 


Edited by Nur_Ilahi - 12 August 2008 at 5:54am
Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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bullet Posted: 12 August 2008 at 5:47am
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Quite frankly, NO ONE needs to stand up for Allah/God. For a being who created the universe and all that is within and suppose to be all powerful, should not be insulted by us mere humans who are not perfect!!
 
Nur I wish you would stopping using such phrases as "you/person does not understand the meaning of such and such" because it is not inline with your learning or meaning!!! 
 
Please stop that! Smile 
 
Yes I agree with you Angel on the first part of this post. Allah do not need us, it is us who need Him. If we love Allah Al-Haqq, if we love His religion with sincerity, we would want to see others also in the True Path. Not leading others away from the True Path. Indeed we are not perfect, we sin always, that is why Muhammad Rasulullah taught us to ask forgiveness from Allah Al-Ghafur (Most Forgiving) at least 100 times a day by reciting Astaghfirullah.
 
On the second part of your post, the reason is nothing more than to test someone's aqidah.
 
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bullet Posted: 12 August 2008 at 5:51am
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Nur - GOD using His Word created all.  Jesus is GOD's Word made flesh.  GOD's Word was at the beginning of time, but is under the command of GOD.  Each time GOD has wanted someting created He says and it is.
 
Jesus was created with the word of God. BE! And it BE!
 
If He could create the furthest of the planet or the tiniest of an atom, creating a man in a woman's womb without an interference from any man, would be such simple act.
 
In seeing the Greatness of Allah all around us, we declare AllahuAkbar!
Allah is the Greatest!
Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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bullet Posted: 12 August 2008 at 6:26am
Hayfa wrote -
Islam has many beautiful aspects...that in our human weaknesses we cannot uphold. It can be class divide, ethnic/ race, gender, supposed proponents of "i know more than you" groups.. everyone wants to break people apart.
 
The reason for the weaknesses in Muslims is nothing more than lack of knowledge. Knowledge not only in spirituality but also in worldly knowledge. Iman (faith) is not enough. It must go hand in hand with ilm (knowledge) and 'aml (practise). Then it will be complete.
 
When a Muslim have all these, there will not be such things as class divide, ethnic/race gender etc. The three elements of iman, 'ilm and 'aml will succeed in creating a Muslim who is full of taqwa. (humble piety).
 
Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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