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Quote Honzo Replybullet Posted: 24 January 2009 at 8:10pm
Response: That was their saying. But I do not agree with them. Ibn Hazm, known as Abi Muhammmad Aliyu Ibn Ahmad ibn Saeed Ibn Hazm Zahiri (384-452) is not an innovator. It was probably the followers of those scholars who disagreed with that called him an innovator. I possess three books written by him - Ihkam fi usul ahkam, fissal, and Muratibul Ijma'a  fil Ibadat wal Mu'aamilaat wal mu'taqidaat. Muhammad Zuhra also wrote on his life history. I prefer we judge people on what they wrote and not what one said about them. We differed in our depth of understanding injunctions on Mu'aamalat, Taqdir, and other Attributes of Allah. It is unfair to criticize one on what one does not understand. I do not understand how the sun will rise from the West and Set on the East. I should not be called a Kafir since no one will explain to me the phenomenon. Rising the sun from the West and setting on the East will be the day or moment I die! Ibn Hazm's istinbati is on standing by the Sunna of the holy Prophet and does not even agree on changing the lafz (words) spoken by the holy Prophet. He was praised by his contempoaraires as, "The tongue of Ibn Hazm and the sword of Hajj ibn Yusuf are similar".


 Problems lies when ppl starting thinking tht every scholar is authority in every field. There is no doubt tht Ibn Hazm has done some gd work as mentioned in tht article. But he has made some huge mistakes when it comes to fiqh and aqeedah and shld not be considered authority in those field. Science of Islam is divided in to different fields (Aqeeda/hadith/tafseer/fiqh/tassawuf) and when hv specialised scholars for every field.






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Quote abosait Replybullet Posted: 24 January 2009 at 11:05pm
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Please kindly advise the forum on some of the books they should read- from the Risala of Imam Shafii to Shankiti's Nathrul waruud.
Rasoolullah Sallallahi alaihi wasallam did not preach that book, nor did the Sahaba read/recomend that book for blind following.


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Quote Friendship Replybullet Posted: 25 January 2009 at 1:10am
Assalamu alaikum.

Honzo posted: But he has made some huge mistakes when it comes to fiqh and aqeedah and shld not be considered authority in those field. Science of Islam is divided in to different fields (Aqeeda/hadith/tafseer/fiqh/tassawuf) and when hv specialised scholars for every field.

Response: Please do not fall into the trap of those who accused someone without proof. Islam demands witnesses while passing a judgment. What were his mistakes in the books he wrote down? If he made a mistake it is on him and not on you! It is only Muhammad who never made a mistake! Imam bin Hazam never wrote books on hadith literature and methodology (Usul of Ulum hadith first written by Raamahramzi d.360 A.H) or a Tafsir. If you have ever read a book written on the subject matter 'Aqeeda' for example by Ibn Taymiyya and Abubakar Jabir a-Jazaa'iri you will realize that people do not know even the meaning of Aqeeda.
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Quote Honzo Replybullet Posted: 25 January 2009 at 4:07am
Walekumassalam

Please do not fall into the trap of those who accused someone without proof



Might be both of us has not read all of his work, but the scholars who hv had warned against it.


If you have ever read a book written on the subject matter 'Aqeeda' for example by Ibn Taymiyya and Abubakar Jabir a-Jazaa'iri you will realize that people do not know even the meaning of Aqeeda.


I beg to differ with u on this point, now we r heading towards altogether different topic.I dont follow Ibn Hazm nor Ibn Taymiyya in the matter of aqeeda.


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Quote abosait Replybullet Posted: 26 January 2009 at 7:57am
[QUOTE=Honzo] .......I dont follow Ibn Hazm nor Ibn Taymiyya in the matter of aqeeda.........[/QUOTE]No blind following of Shaikhs in any matter...not only Aqidah.
But once someone explains and proves from the Qur'an and Sunnah as to what is right and what is wrong, we have to follow that.

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Quote Honzo Replybullet Posted: 26 January 2009 at 8:49pm
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Originally posted by Honzo

.......I dont follow Ibn Hazm nor Ibn Taymiyya in the matter of aqeeda.........[/QUOTE]No blind following of Shaikhs in any matter...not only Aqidah.


Unfortunately ppl who claim are themselves doing blind following.

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But once someone explains and proves from the Qur'an and Sunnah as to what is right and what is wrong, we have to follow that.



According to authentic narration of our beloved prophet (peace be upon him), there will be group of ppl who will recite Quran but quran wont go down their throat.

There are criteria which ur sheikh shld fulfil b4 he can interpret Quran and hadith.



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Quote Honzo Replybullet Posted: 26 January 2009 at 8:51pm
The following is a bibliography based on books, articles, lectures, opinions and other material of which the greatest part can be found on the internet. It regards the subjects of Madhaahib, Taqleed, Ijtihaad and other related matters. These works are by and include numerous scholars and students, contemporary ones as well as of the past, from the four Sunni schools of law. It is a good overview for those who are interested in mainstream and orthodox views of the subjects discussed. The overview is alphabetically ordered by the author’s name, divided between authors and publishers as well as contemporary and historical works.

Contemporary Authors: Ashraf, Muhammad; Azzam, Mostafa; Bayat, Zubayr; al-Buti, Muhammad Sa`id Ramadan; Desai, Ebrahim; Dhorat, Khalid; Fadel, Mohammed; al-Haaj, Murabit; Haddad, Gibril Fouad; Kadodia, Hussein; Karamali, Hamza; Keller, Nuh Ha Mim; Mangera, Abdurrahman ibn Yusuf; Murad, Abdal Hakim; Umm Nabeel; Rabbani, Faraz; Rasheed, Amjad; Saleem, Ridhwan ibn Muhammad; Shakir, Zaid; Usmani, Taqi.

Contemporary Publishers: al-Adaab, Ask Imam, Dar al-Ulum Bury, Guiding Helper, Majilis of South Africa, Waqf Ikhlas.

Historical Authors: Gangohi, Mahmood Hasan; al-Jawziyya, Ibn al-Qayyim; Kawthari, Zahid; al-Qurtubi, Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali; al-Subki.


Contemporary Authors

Taqleed and following of the Four Great Imams
by Mufti Muhammad Ashraf

Factors to Consider When Choosing a Madhhab
by Shaykh Mostafa Azzam

What is Taqlid or Ittiba?
by Mufti Zubair Bayat

Why Does One have to follow a Madhhab? A Debate with Shaykh al-Abassi
by Shaykh Muhammad Sa`id Ramadan al-Buti
translated by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller
from the book al-la Madhhabiyya Akhtaru Bid`atin Tuhaddidu al-Shari`a al-Islamiyya
(Non-Madhhabism: The most dangerous Innovation threatening the Islamic Law)


al-Salafiyya: Marhala Zamaniyya Mubaraka, la Madhhab Islami
(Ancestralism: a Blessed Era rather than an Islamic School)
by Shaykh Muhammad Sa`id Ramadan al-Buti

The evidence in Ayat and Ahadith for Taqleed
by Mufti Ebrahim Desai

The Concept of Taqlid Simplified
by Mawlana Khalid Dhorat

Validity of Ijtihad
by Mohammed Fadel

Fatwa on Following One of the Four Accepted Madhhabs
by Shaykh Murabit al-Haaj
translated by Shaykh Hamza Yusuf Hanson

Non-Madhhabism & Following a Madhhab
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

A Question on Madhhab Discord
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

The Statement "If the Hadith is Authentic, that is my Madhhab"
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

Talfiq - Mixing Madhhabs
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

Talfiq Impermissible: Early Generations
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

Following things from different Fiqhs
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

Definition of a Mujtahid Mutlaq
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

Taqleed as Wajib
by Talib Husain Kadodia

Switching Madhhabs: Lack of Teacher
by Shaykh Hamza Karamali

Why Muslims Follow Madhhabs
by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller

What is a Madhhab
by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller
from his interview with Q-News in 1995.

Seeking Out Dispensations & Following Another School
by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller

Seeking Out Dispensations: Following another School
by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller

Choosing a School of Fiqh
by Shaykh Abdurrahman ibn Yusuf Mangera

Understanding the Four Madhhabs
by Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad
from the book Understanding the Four Madhhabs

Understanding the Four Madhhabs
by Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad
with extensive notes from Sidi Azhar Usman

Unity through Schools of Thought
by Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad

Understanding Madhhabs: A Beginner's Guide and FAQ
by Umm Nabeel

Why Madhabs? Isn't It Like Christianity?
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

The Fatwa in the Madhhab & How To Take Sacred Knowledge
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Commoners Do Not Have a Madhab?
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Is Following a Madhhab Fard?
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Mujtahids & Method
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

When can I follow another Madhhab?
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Objection to Following Another Madhab
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

How Fiqh is Derived
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Joining between Evidences and Ijtihaad
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Mixing between Shafi`i and Hanafi
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

The way of Fatwa and the way of Taqwa
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Following another Madhhab in `Ibadat and Mu`amalat
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Following another Madhhab is allowed
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Selecting rulings from another Madhhab: Hardships
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Choosing and Picking from Madhhabs
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Objection to Following Another Madhhab
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Following another Madhhab: Difficulties
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Imam Shah Waliullah on Madhhabs
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Should I Leave the Hanafi Madhhab: Sunnas, Beards, Trousers
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Switching from Shafi`i to Hanafi
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Acceptance between Schools
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Recommended to avoid the Differences of Opinion of other Schools
by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed

Talfiq and its Unlawfulness
by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed

Following Other Schools
by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed

Seeking out Dispensations: Corruption
by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed

Asking for "Evidences" is a clear Daleel of your Ignorance
by Shaykh Ridhwan ibn Muhammad Saleem

: Introduction to Following a Madhab
lecture in RM by Imam Zaid Shakir

The 4 Schools of Thought in Islam
by Mufti Taqi Usmani
from Contemporary Fatawa

The 4 Schools of Thought in Islam
by Mufti Taqi Usmani
from Contemporary Fatawa

The Legal Status of Following a Madhhab
by Mufti Taqi Usmani


Contemporary Publishers:

On the Necessity of Following Qualified Islamic Scholarship
published by al-Adaab

The Share`e role of Taqlid
published by Ask Imam

Verdict on Taqleed: Necessity of Taqleed from Shari’ah P.O.V.
by Talibun Dar al-Ulum
from Holcombe, Bury UK

Talfeeq in the Maliki School, Maliki Fiqh Principles
from the book The Guiding Helper

The 4 Imams on Madhahib and Taqleed
from The Deception of the Salafi Sect
published by The Majilis of South Africa

Incumbency of Taqleed
published by The Majilis of South Africa

A Letter on Taqleed
published by The Majilis of South Africa

Following the Imams of the Madhhabs
from the book Advice for the Muslim
published by Waqf Ikhlas


Historical Authors:

On Taqleed
by Mufti Mahmood Hasan Gangohi

On Taqleed
by Imam Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyya
from Ilam Al Muqaqqin
(The Instruction of those who sign Formal Legal Opinions)

The book al-la Madhhabiyya Qantaratu al-Ladiniyya
(Anti-Madhhabism is the Archway of Atheism)

by Imam Zahid al-Kawthari

On Taqleed
by Imam al-Qurtubi
from the book Jami li-Ahkam al-Qur'an

The book الرد على من اتبع غير المذاهب الأربعة
Radd 'ala man Ittaba'a Ghayr al-Madhahib al-Arba`a
(Refutation of those who follow other than the Four Legal Schools)
book by Imam Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali

The book Ma`na Qawl al-Imam al-Muttalib: Itha Sahha al-Hadith fa Huwa Madhhabi
(Meaning of the saying of the Muttalibi Imam: "If a Hadith is authentic, then it is my Madhhab")
by Imam al-Subki
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Quote abosait Replybullet Posted: 18 February 2009 at 6:30pm
[QUOTE=Honzo].........a bibliography............a good overview for those who are interested in mainstream and orthodox views of the subjects discussed.......... .[QUOTE]

Mainstream is a term generally used to mean that which is ordinary or usual with familiar appeal to the masses.

I suppose by orthodox views you mean those views which are conforming to established religious doctrine derived from the Qur'aan and the Sunnnah.

And why would anyone waste his/her time reading the views of those writers rather than read and follow the established doctrines.
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