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Quote minuteman Replybullet Posted: 03 June 2008 at 11:26pm
 Mutah is clearly illegal. It is no where in the Quran or Hadith and it is almost like prostitution. It is like Muslim soldiers who were fighting in the way of Allah far away from Madinah for many months and they made use of the ladies in those areas. This was done when the prophet was alive and even reported to the prophet. He niether approved it nor said anything against it.
 
 Later, Hazrat Umar issued orders that no soldier may remain away from his wife for longer than 4 months. He should be given leave to return home within 4 months.
 There was no mutah in Madinah. But there is a report that some people did it in Madinah because Hazrat Hasan used to get a lot of money from Hazrat Mua'wiyah every month and he used to give that money to the young girls when they remained with him for a few nights.
 
 Some people did not like that practice and objected to doing such a thing. While the others (who gave their daughters to Hazrat Hasan for Mutah=temporary marriage) liked it very much saying that they benefit very much from the benevolence of Hazrat Hasan and their daughters gain a lot from such a temporary visit.
 
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Quote minuteman Replybullet Posted: 03 June 2008 at 11:47pm
  

Please look at Mutah and misyar by the verse of the Quran 5:5 and in the light of the Sunnah. That fellow who likened the good work of the prophets wife to misyar was not good thing. It was very bad.

I believe Mutah and misyar as absolutely wrong practice and may call it a sin. It spreads evil in the society. Anything which is not in accord with the teachings of the Quran or Sunnah is bad practice, illegal and sin. It should not be allowed or tolerated in the society. Please read the verse of the Quran below:

5:5, This day (and ever after), all good things are made lawful for you. And the food of the people of the book are lawful for you. And your food is lawful for them. And the free (protected) ladies of the believers and the free (protected) ladies from those who were given the book before you ( are lawful to you ) when you give them their dowrie (Mehr), taking them in marriage, niether fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret. And whoever denied (or hid) his faith (belief) then all his deeds will be wasted and in the end he will surely be of the losers.

In the light of the above verse, we may be able to decide about Mutah and misyar. Also, most important is the practice of the holy prophet s.a.w.s. and his close companions



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Quote Chrysalis Replybullet Posted: 05 June 2008 at 1:11pm
I am sorry if I offend anyone, but after reading about Mutaah . . .to me it seems similar to Prostitution/Escort Service (Paying a woman for temporary company), just has been repackaged wrapped up. I've read that Mutah can last upto a couple of hours as well . . .what is that? Sounds a lot like a one-night stand. Men can cheat on thier wives claiming 'Mutah'.
 
I've heard ppl claim that it is beneficial for the woman. In what way? What if there is a child? The child will grow up without a father . . . and whn there were no DNA tests, the man could (and still can) deny the child. Ppl say it tackles the problem of Surplus females in the society . . . Polygamy takes care of that . . .NOT Mutah. Calling Mutah a form of marriage is a disgrace to the institution . . .
 
Btw, one of the reasons the number of unmarried women in Saudi Arabia is increasing is because more Saudi men are now marrying foriegners (both muslim and nonmuslim) A lot of them want blonde western women, bcz they fulfill some kind of fantasy and are an attractive accessory. Others prefer foriegn muslim women bcz they are easier to maintain financially and not as demanding (in the material sense). Secondly, the govt provides incentives to local women, which is maybe why some men are hesitant (in terms of the minimum Mahr amount).
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Quote Hamzah Replybullet Posted: 05 June 2008 at 6:50pm
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Jazak Allah khair for your post
i am Saudi and i disagree about increasing numbers of Saudi men married to non saudi's for so many reasons.

1- this is actulally not true as it is not allowed for men from Saudi to marry from outside the country, for this you need an approval from the interior ministry and this is hard and complicated.

2-Saudi women do not lack beauty and if you think we don't have blondes, i have 4 daughters oldest is 9 and youngest is 3, 3 of my little girls are blonde with blue eyes and guess what? they are 100% Saudi !

The reason why the number of unmarrid women incresing in this country is the decrease in polygamy cases and the rising costs of marriage from Mahr to everything else associated from the wedding party to gifts for the bride and her family, people tend to show off in occasions like this, and the divorce rate is increasing because Allah is not blessing such marriages, people are deviating away from religioun and Saudi Arabia is no exception.

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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2008 at 6:56am
Originally posted by Hamzah


"...Saudi women do not lack beauty and if you think we don't have blondes, i have 4 daughters oldest is 9 and youngest is 3, 3 of my little girls are blonde with blue eyes..."
 
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Quote Hamzah Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2008 at 8:23am
Jazak Allah khair brother Abuayisha

May Allah help me bring them up the right way, i am starting to memorise the Quran with them, subhan Allah it teached them a lot, i like sports and one time i was watching athletics and there was a women's race, wallah one of them jumped infront of the TV and said: papa do you think it is right for you to watch something like this? i never watched such things after it, i guess you can say she taught me a lesson, may Allah bless the Umma.
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Quote Chrysalis Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2008 at 9:24am
Originally posted by Hamzah

Chrysalis
Jazak Allah khair for your post
i am Saudi and i disagree about increasing numbers of Saudi men married to non saudi's for so many reasons.

1- this is actulally not true as it is not allowed for men from Saudi to marry from outside the country, for this you need an approval from the interior ministry and this is hard and complicated.

2-Saudi women do not lack beauty and if you think we don't have blondes, i have 4 daughters oldest is 9 and youngest is 3, 3 of my little girls are blonde with blue eyes and guess what? they are 100% Saudi !

The reason why the number of unmarrid women incresing in this country is the decrease in polygamy cases and the rising costs of marriage from Mahr to everything else associated from the wedding party to gifts for the bride and her family, people tend to show off in occasions like this, and the divorce rate is increasing because Allah is not blessing such marriages, people are deviating away from religioun and Saudi Arabia is no exception.

 
First of all, I in no way implied that Saudi women lack beauty nor did I mean to label all Saudi Men negativley. I am sure there are still intelligent, level headed men out there.
 
On the contrary, I think that many Arab women are an exemplary example when it comes to blending style, and fashion with modesty (hijab etc). :) I personally think that Saudis (both genders) are mashallah an attractive nation.
 
And to any female readers, I in no way implied that blonde is beautiful :p . . . was merely stating a trend that I personally think it increasing. I live in a country with a number of non-muslims, and unfortunatley our Saudi men seem to be setting a very bad example here. And though I am sure the majority is not like that . . . thats the impression they give all non-saudis out there.
 
I agree with Brother Hamza about the decrease in Polygamy being one of the reasons for an increase in single women.
 
As for Saudis marrying foriegners, I am sure that the residents probably do not marry abroad, but still, an alarming number are going for foreign wives (and I am not judging them, as long as they are marrying muslims)  especially those among the affluent class and expatriots. Again, many of you might disagree . . . because ofcourse there are no demographics on that. . . but out of any Arabs I know or hav heard of, most seem to hav foriegn wives. Which is why I said that . . . though ofcourse my experience or opinions may not reflect the reality of things.
 
And just wanted to say that the Television episode with daughter made me smile. Alhamdulilah you seem to be doing a good job . . .
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Quote rami Replybullet Posted: 07 June 2008 at 5:26am
Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem

yes it is believe it or not, and it is easy to find out, even Misyar marriage is listed and by your national ID number a search in the civil affairs will show everything.

This doesnt sound right at all, so what your saying is that with this ID number i can look up the conditions a woman has placed on a marriage she is currently in and not simply who she is married to.

How can you tell the difference between a misyar marriage and a normal marriage, if all marriages where registered which i doubt since the majority of the country in not even developed how do you know about the secret misyar marriage.

If the misyar marriage is kept secret then this is not for any benefit to society or to stop spinsterhood or what ever delusions these people are thinking about since no benefit is gained by the woman and socially no one knows about it, it is purely for sexual reasons and to take away the sin element of the encounter [supposedly].


Shia's think Wilayah is a god given right to Ali RA, to secceed the prophet in leading the Uma

well this is just a belief in and of itself there is nothing shocking about it.


and that Abu Bakr along with Omar had betrayed and prevented the prophet at his death to put this in writing so that they could take over after the prophet.

This is the commentary not the wilayah itself and is added for dramatic effect, essentially there is nothing wrong with believing in wilayah [as you defined it] and to hate someone simply becouse of it is ridiculous what isnt fine is this last part not all shia believe this and this is a plain fact.



Edited by rami - 07 June 2008 at 5:27am
Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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