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Quote Truth_light24 Replybullet Topic: The Qur’an on Clouds
    Posted: 26 May 2008 at 3:29am

Scientists have studied cloud types and have realized that rain clouds are formed and shaped according to definite systems and certain steps connected with certain types of wind and clouds. One kind of rain cloud is the cumulonimbus cloud.  Meteorologists have studied how cumulonimbus clouds are formed and how they produce rain, hail, and lightning. They have found that cumulonimbus clouds go through the following steps to produce rain:

1)  The clouds are pushed by the wind: Cumulonimbus clouds begin to form when wind pushes some small pieces of clouds (cumulus clouds) to an area where these clouds

2)   Joining: Then the small clouds join together forming a larger cloud.

3)  Stacking:  When  the  small  clouds  join  together,  updrafts within the larger cloud increase. The updrafts near the center of the cloud are stronger than those near the edges. These updrafts cause the cloud body to grow vertically, so the cloud is stacked up. This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler regions of the atmosphere, where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to grow larger and larger.  When these drops of water and hail become too heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as rain, hail, etc.

God has said in the Qur’an:

        Have you not seen how God makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it... . (Qur’an, 24:43)

Meteorologists have only recently come to know these details of cloud formation, structure, and function by using advanced equipment like planes, satellite, computers, balloons, and other.

And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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Quote martha Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2008 at 6:04am
I love clouds......Smile
some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2008 at 1:23pm

Meteorologists have only recently come to know these details of cloud formation, structure, and function by using advanced equipment like planes, satellite, computers, balloons, and other.

I'd like you to prove this

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Quote Truth_light24 Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2008 at 5:28pm

The Quran were revealed to the prophet 1400 or so years ago and technology and advances were only been known few years after the revelation of the Quran to the Prophet.

 

The first (artificial) satellite to be invented by the Russian which were called Sputnik 1 was on October 4, 1957

The first plane to be invented were in 1899 by the Wilbur Wright and almost all were invented in the year 1800.

Israfil, you can make your own research to satisfy your doubt. I believe in all that was written in the Quran 100%, I dont doubt it and I dont have to prove anything because no matter what people say about the Quran, it is the aunthentic words of Allah and He knows everything that happens and will happens because He is the Creator of all that exists.
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Quote Truth_light24 Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2008 at 5:32pm

I love clouds too sis Martha, it has many forms and sometimes it amazes me looking at it, How Mighty Allah is, sobhanallah. He created all this for us to enjoy and benefit from.


I love to walk in the rain too…Wink like what most kids do..LOL 

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Quote Ron Webb Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2008 at 7:20pm

clouds move gently...
Ooh, now there's a revelation!Big%20smile

clouds join together...
No they don't.  Clouds form, and clouds disperse.  To join together, at least one of them would have to be moving against the wind.

clouds "stack"...
Well, they can change altitude, and they can grow vertically, but what exactly does "stack" mean?

rain comes from clouds...
Yeah, science is only now beginning to recognize the relationship between clouds and rain.LOL

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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2008 at 8:37pm
Truth_Light as much as you like think I am against you I am not.
 
 
I'm merely challenging your claim that meterologist have now recently understood cloud formation. This has nothing to do with challenging Quranic revelation. whenever you make a claim you must support it. Using Anecdotal statements does not necessitate that is true. Although I do agree the study of meterology and its advancements of studies are quite recent there have been previous pioneers of studying clouds in the early 1800's (See: Luke Howard) and even further than that.
 
Just because the mentioning of clouds in the Qur'an some +1,500 years does not discount science, it only means that there was an account of the activity of the visible mass of droplets (e.g. clouds). I am merely asking you to prove that only now meterologist have recently understood clouds. Remember you are discounting the studies of researchers before the actual creation of meterology. Many ancient Greeks way before Muhammad even existed studied the sciences. This is not me denying the Qur'an, this is me critiquing one part of your statement. How does this all of a sudden lead to me critiquing the Qur'an? Don't make make statements if you cannot back them up.
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Quote Truth_light24 Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2008 at 9:16pm

Ronn, check this out Smile

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According to the scientists today:

"Water vaporizes from the oceans and rivers forming tiny clouds. The small clouds join together and the updrafts within the larger cloud increase. The updrafts closer to the center are stronger, because they are protected from the cooling effects by the outer portion of the cloud.

These updrafts cause the cloud body to grow vertically, so they could is stacked up. This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler regions of the atmosphere where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to grow larger and larger. When these drops of water and hail become too heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as rain, hail, etc." (from "The Atmosphere" p. 269 and "Elements of Meteorology" pp. 141-142)

{"Have you not seen how God makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it..."} (Qur'an 24:43)

Meteorologists have only recently come to know these details of cloud formation, structure, and function by using advanced equipment like planes, satellites, computers, balloons, and other equipment to study wind and its direction, to measure humidity and its variations, and to determine the levels and variations of atmospheric pressure.

{"... And He sends down hail from mountains (clouds) in the sky, and He strikes with it whomever He wills, and turns it from whomever He wills. The vivid flash of its lightning nearly blinds the sight."} (Qur'an 24:43)

Meteorologists have found that these cumlonimbus clouds, that shower hail, reach a height of 25,000 to 30,000 ft. (4.7 to 5.7 miles) like mountains, as the Qur'an says;


{"...And He sends down hail from mountains (clouds) in the sky..."}

This discovery were just found out recently after advance equipment were invented such as satellite, computers and all apparatus the scientist used to prove their theories. And all this facilities being used for their discoveries were invented after the revelation of the Quran.

Theory of Aristotle (1600 AD) :

The atmosphere contains two kinds of exhalation, moist and dry. He also said that thunder is the sound of the collision of the dry exhalation with the neighboring clouds, and lightning is the inflaming and burning of the dry exhalation with a thin and faint fire. (Works of Aristotle Translated into English pp. 369 a&b)

STACKED UP means PILED UP or HEAPED UP


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