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Quote Saladin Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2008 at 5:25am

 There is no pnishment such as stoning for adultry / fornication. The punshment for Zina (adultry / fornication) is 100 lashes only. It is obligatory  (Faradh) and should be carried out in the open air in the presence of many people. (Surah Noor verses 1-2).

 I agree. The quran is clear about that.
 
 Stoning to death is a capital punishment and cannot be carried out unless it is mentioned in the Quran. The stoning to death of the fornicators/ adulterers as mentioned in the Torah is not applicable to Muslims (after the revelation of verses of Surah Noor).
 
 We can see capital punishment for crimes besides Qisas, in the Quran, in this verse.
  "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom. (5:33)
 Well, two crimes are mentioned here deserving capital punishment. 1.Making war against Allah and his messenger. 2.Striving after corruption in the land. Zina by a married or unmarried person like once or low key and then repentant, may not deserve capital punishment. Theirs will be the 100 lashes as in verse 24:2. But what if  serial fornicators, rapists, serial rapists, or prostitutes are on the loose, striving for and causing corruption in the land with their lechery, rapes or prostitution, would not these then deserve the punishment mentioned in 5:33, for striving after corruption in the land?
 
 


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Quote Hayfa Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2008 at 6:04am
Rape is one of the most difficult crimes to prosecute not matter the syastem. It often boils down to "he said, she said." In cases of DNA and forensics and such can prove that sexual activity took place. But the quiestion in social situations is consent. This is different if obvious battery took place as well.  To prove rape case in other circumstances is very difficult.. you are on  a date, at work only.. proof is hard to come by.
 
People get the witness stuff all mixed up. It varies for different type of crimes.
 
As far as financial transactions, one should have things written, but in cases of not, having two women is a safe-gaurd for the women. That is how I look at it. Not that women cannot remember (my memory is better than most people) but that people often try and take advantage of women. Business is typically a "man's world," no matter the culture.  It is best to bring a friend to protect yourself.  This is actually quite coomon sense. I watch some of the ocurtr TV shows and so many people either don't write things down or don't have a witness and thus have a hard time proving their case.
 
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Quote Shasta'sAunt Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2008 at 9:08am
"Rajam is a religious law of punishment in islam as well it was in shariah of Moses peace be upon him as well. For reference you should read Quran chapter 5 verse 45."
 
Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread)

5:45 We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.

Are you saying this Ayat orders stoning? Stoning as a punishment is not found in The Quran.

 

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