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Posted: 20 May 2008 at 6:17am

The answer is in the forensic evidence and DNA!!!

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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Posted: 21 May 2008 at 3:20pm

believer,

DNA testing is a new thing what about the rest of the times before??

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:44am

This a serious matter to discuss. It requires many proofs. in order to give to the punishment of Rajam(stoning to death) but it does not mean that he will not be punished , despite of that he could be locked up for whole life , he could be stand behind wall and the wall is made fell upon him, There are numerous punishments which a justice could give instead of rajam which are more worse than rajam.

Rajam is a religious law of punishment in islam as well it was in shariah of Moses peace be upon him as well. For reference you should read Quran chapter 5 verse 45.

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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:45am

Dna tests and Forensics are new techniques and as well as there not trustable and authentic because there are propbabilities in having match,

1 It could be mistaken and execution could be given on the false observation,

2 There are chances of bribery , that some use unfair means of making good an evil and evil in to good . Like the media always do in the west about islam by picking up the black sheeps adn show them as a resemblence of islam.

3 The Laws of shariah requires 100 percent witness and authentic proof not just microscopic evidence . Which judge or majistrate cant see it.

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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:47am

Dna tests and Forensics are new techniques and as well as there are not trustable and authentic because there are probabilities in having match

1 It could be mistaken and execution could be given on the false observation.

3 The Laws of shariah requires 100 percent witness and authentic proof not just microscopic evidence . Which judge or majistrate cant see it.

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Posted: 29 May 2008 at 6:25am

The man standing by watching to be witness is guilty!

John 3
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Posted: 06 June 2008 at 2:59am

Salaam Alaikum Tariq,

I haven't come upon a hadith asserting, that four witnesses are required to prove a rape. Evidence is certainly needed but evidence in the form of four or more witnesses is what i'm skeptical about. What if a woman was raped and there were 1,2 or 3 witnesses or forensics to prove the rape? Would such evidence still be invalid? If its so, then a woman raped and unlucky to not have 4 to testify, will have to forget about justice in this world and all a rapist has to do, to evade punishment is to ensure that not more than 3 witness the act.

I hope people in the know would clarify this for me.

'Trust everyone but not the devil in them'

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Posted: 06 June 2008 at 3:18am

There is no pnishment such as stoning for adultry / fornication. The punshment for Zina (adultry / fornication) is 100 lashes only. It is obligatory (Faradh) and should be carried out in the open air in the presence of many people. (Surah Noor verses 1-2)

Stoning to death is a capital punishment and cannot be carried out unless it is mentioned in the Quran. The stoning to death of the fornicators/ adulterers as mentioned in the Torah is not applicable to Muslims (after the revelation of verses of Surah Noor).

Rape is something different. That may need capital punishment or some other kind of severe punishment. The 100 lashes is only for the wiliing fornicators and adulterers.

There is no secret meaning in the verses 24:1-2 and other verses of Surah Noor.

If any one is bad some one must suffer

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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 20 May 2008 at 6:17am
	The answer is in the forensic evidence and DNA!!!
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 21 May 2008 at 3:20pm
	believer, DNA testing is a new thing what about the rest of the times before?? Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Tariq Groupie Joined: 09 May 2008 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:44am
	This a serious matter to discuss. It requires many proofs. in order to give to the punishment of Rajam(stoning to death) but it does not mean that he will not be punished , despite of that he could be locked up for whole life , he could be stand behind wall and the wall is made fell upon him, There are numerous punishments which a justice could give instead of rajam which are more worse than rajam. Rajam is a religious law of punishment in islam as well it was in shariah of Moses peace be upon him as well. For reference you should read Quran chapter 5 verse 45. Edited by Tariq - 22 May 2008 at 6:06am
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Tariq Groupie Joined: 09 May 2008 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:45am
	Dna tests and Forensics are new techniques and as well as there not trustable and authentic because there are propbabilities in having match, 1 It could be mistaken and execution could be given on the false observation, 2 There are chances of bribery , that some use unfair means of making good an evil and evil in to good . Like the media always do in the west about islam by picking up the black sheeps adn show them as a resemblence of islam. 3 The Laws of shariah requires 100 percent witness and authentic proof not just microscopic evidence . Which judge or majistrate cant see it.
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Tariq Groupie Joined: 09 May 2008 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:47am
	Dna tests and Forensics are new techniques and as well as there are not trustable and authentic because there are probabilities in having match 1 It could be mistaken and execution could be given on the false observation. 2 There are chances of bribery , that some use unfair means of making good an evil and evil in to good . Like the media always do in the west about islam by picking up the black sheeps adn show them as a resemblence of islam. 3 The Laws of shariah requires 100 percent witness and authentic proof not just microscopic evidence . Which judge or majistrate cant see it.
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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 29 May 2008 at 6:25am
	The man standing by watching to be witness is guilty!
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Saladin Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 04 September 2007 Location: Sri Lanka Online Status: Offline Posts: 575	Posted: 06 June 2008 at 2:59am
	Salaam Alaikum Tariq, I haven't come upon a hadith asserting, that four witnesses are required to prove a rape. Evidence is certainly needed but evidence in the form of four or more witnesses is what i'm skeptical about. What if a woman was raped and there were 1,2 or 3 witnesses or forensics to prove the rape? Would such evidence still be invalid? If its so, then a woman raped and unlucky to not have 4 to testify, will have to forget about justice in this world and all a rapist has to do, to evade punishment is to ensure that not more than 3 witness the act. I hope people in the know would clarify this for me.
	'Trust everyone but not the devil in them'
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minuteman Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1642	Posted: 06 June 2008 at 3:18am
	There is no pnishment such as stoning for adultry / fornication. The punshment for Zina (adultry / fornication) is 100 lashes only. It is obligatory (Faradh) and should be carried out in the open air in the presence of many people. (Surah Noor verses 1-2) Stoning to death is a capital punishment and cannot be carried out unless it is mentioned in the Quran. The stoning to death of the fornicators/ adulterers as mentioned in the Torah is not applicable to Muslims (after the revelation of verses of Surah Noor). Rape is something different. That may need capital punishment or some other kind of severe punishment. The 100 lashes is only for the wiliing fornicators and adulterers. There is no secret meaning in the verses 24:1-2 and other verses of Surah Noor.
	If any one is bad some one must suffer
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