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Your Arabic Bible says Allah.Not Eloi.

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Originally posted by Kish

Originally posted by larry

And, by the way, I was very surprised that you
acknowledged, ("what came out of Jesus' mouth as a cry was Allah Allah
when He cried Eloi Eloi...") that Jesus Christ was in a position to
"cry aloud" to God "My God, My God, why have you forsaken
me?" Jesus said these words on the cross during His crucifixion. I thought
that Islam taught that Jesus was NEVER crucified in the first place?

Oops!

Larry, this last paragraph put the “icing on the cake.” You
used simple logic and skill, a person reading it has to think openly and
honestly about it. If Muslims teach an imposter was crucified in the place of
Jesus and Muslims don’t even all agree with that, why would any Muslim now
agree that Jesus here was calling on Allah?

I seriously believe you have backed them into a corner.

Here are my two questions:

1) Is God, Lord or Allah (The God) really a name or is it only
a title?

2) If the God of Jesus and of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob is the same as Muhammad’s god you should not have a hard time showing and
proving to everyone with historical and archeological references and evidence NOT
WITH LINKS when the earliest use of that name was dated, by whom and where? If Allah
is truly the name of the God of Moses and the Prophets this should be your easiest TASK!!! If
not, you have a lot of explaining to do!!!

Wow Larry, this
just got real! Hopefully they will answer and not try to change topics.

This Arabic word, Allah, is never used in any other sense. There is no such
thing as an "Allah-father" or an "Allah-mother" or a "Tin-Allah." ALLAH is a
unique word for the only God. Arabic, like every other language, also has its
rules of grammar, but in Arabic you cannot make a plural form for Allah, nor
can you make a feminine of Allah.
All this is very unlike the English word, God. If you want to make a plural,
just add an "s" (Gods); You can make God feminine by adding
"dess" (goddess); and you can make God diminutive by adding
"ling" (godling). Look at the sheer mockery the Westerner has made of the
word "GOD," and how his fertile imagination has run riot and havoc in
denigrating the Glory and Majesty of the Incomparable Creator, sustainer
and Cherisher of all the worlds as recorded in the Oxford Dictionary:
ALLAH IS FREE FROM ALL
CORRUPTIONS. YOU CAN DO NOTHING WITH THIS WORD IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE ARAB.
YOU CANNOT MANIPULATE IT IN ANY WAY!

"Seeing, they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they
understand."
(Matthew 13:13).

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I think we need to decide what real Ummah is... what real unity for God is. :-)

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Originally posted by honeto

Larry, Kish and the like,
you have only shown how small and limited your sight is otherwise you would have not said what you did. Rejoice for your lack of understanding and blinds you all have put over your sight. It only make you look like little ones.
First your Oops actually goes perfect for yourself, wonder how?
First, we are showing you a quote from your Bible, not because we need a proof, but you. And according to that, Jesus indeed cried to his Lord as "Allah" which is spelled in modern Bibles as "Eloh" with "i" which stands for "Oh" in Jesus' native Aramaic. If there were tape recorders at that time, his cries would be heard as you hear a Muslim calls upon God, "Allah".
Second, Muslims claim that God did not let the Jews kill Jesus (pbuh), we do not say that he was not put on the cross. Those are two different things.
So sorry to bust your bubble, again.
On the subject of Allah or God, please start a separate thread and we will be glad to answer your question, this is not the thread for it.
Hasan

Greetings Hasan,
I wish they would have allowed my reply which I posted before you, to have appeared.

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iec786 Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 282	Posted: 29 August 2012 at 10:56pm
	Your Arabic Bible says Allah.Not Eloi.
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Kish Guest Group Joined: 07 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 237	Posted: 03 September 2012 at 7:00pm
	*Originally posted by larry* And, by the way, I was very surprised that you acknowledged, ("what came out of Jesus' mouth as a cry was Allah Allah when He cried Eloi Eloi...") that Jesus Christ was in a position to "cry aloud" to God "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Jesus said these words on the cross during His crucifixion. I thought that Islam taught that Jesus was NEVER crucified in the first place? Oops! Larry, this last paragraph put the “icing on the cake.” You used simple logic and skill, a person reading it has to think openly and honestly about it. If Muslims teach an imposter was crucified in the place of Jesus and Muslims don’t even all agree with that, why would any Muslim now agree that Jesus here was calling on Allah? I seriously believe you have backed them into a corner. Here are my two questions: 1) Is God, Lord or Allah (The God) really a name or is it only a title? 2) If the God of Jesus and of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same as Muhammad’s god you should not have a hard time showing and proving to everyone with historical and archeological references and evidence NOT WITH LINKS when the earliest use of that name was dated, by whom and where? If Allah is truly the name of the God of Moses and the Prophets this should be your easiest TASK!!! If not, you have a lot of explaining to do!!! Wow Larry, this just got real! Hopefully they will answer and not try to change topics.
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iec786 Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 282	Posted: 05 September 2012 at 8:33am
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Jesus said these words on the cross during His crucifixion. I thought that Islam taught that Jesus was NEVER crucified in the first place? Oops! <p ="Msonormal">Larry, this last paragraph put the “icing on the cake.” You used simple logic and skill, a person reading it has to think openly and honestly about it. If Muslims teach an imposter was crucified in the place of Jesus and Muslims don’t even all agree with that, why would any Muslim now agree that Jesus here was calling on Allah? <p ="Msonormal">I seriously believe you have backed them into a corner. <p ="Msonormal">Here are my two questions: <p ="Msonormal">1) Is God, Lord or Allah (The God) really a name or is it only a title? <p ="Msonormal">2) If the God of Jesus and of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same as Muhammad’s god you should not have a hard time showing and proving to everyone with historical and archeological references and evidence NOT WITH LINKS when the earliest use of that name was dated, by whom and where? If Allah is truly the name of the God of Moses and the Prophets this should be your easiest TASK!!! If not, you have a lot of explaining to do!!!<span style="font-size:12.0pt; line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span> <p ="Msonormal"><span style="mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">Wow Larry, this just got real! Hopefully they will answer and not try to change topics. </span> This Arabic word, Allah, is never used in any other sense. There is no such thing as an "Allah-father" or an "Allah-mother" or a "Tin-Allah." ALLAH is a unique word for the only God. Arabic, like every other language, also has its rules of grammar, but in Arabic you cannot make a plural form for Allah, nor can you make a feminine of Allah. All this is very unlike the English word, God. If you want to make a plural, just add an "s" (Gods); You can make God feminine by adding "dess" (goddess); and you can make God diminutive by adding "ling" (godling). Look at the sheer mockery the Westerner has made of the word "GOD," and how his fertile imagination has run riot and havoc in denigrating the Glory and Majesty of the Incomparable Creator, sustainer and Cherisher of all the worlds as recorded in the Oxford Dictionary: ALLAH IS FREE FROM ALL CORRUPTIONS. YOU CAN DO NOTHING WITH THIS WORD IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE ARAB. YOU CANNOT MANIPULATE IT IN ANY WAY! "Seeing, they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." (Matthew 13:13).
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 05 September 2012 at 12:06pm
	*Originally posted by Kish* Kish, In the spirit of accountability... *"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should be not victory, but progress"* [Joseph Joubert Pensées] The goal should be mutual understanding and acceptance of one another, not gloating. I hold to what I have always said... there are problems with all the scriptures... due to man. The more I compare, the more I am led to disbelieve all... Is this the devil's purpose? Are we allowing him to win? I know I believe in Jesus for this reason; The message of Jesus is so counterintuituve that it must be believed. The scriptures of the Jews and of Muhammad read like the desires of man... what the mind of man would wish. Jesus message is entirely different. Anyway, all this arguing back and forth about whose scriptures are correct, whose 'prophet' is correct... I see all these things as the devil's way to lead us all away from God. Are we going to allow him to accomplish his purposes or are we going to unite to worship one God together in whatever way it best suits us to worship Him? As long as we are worshiping the one God and He knows where our hearts are... what else matters? Let us each just be sure we are worshiping one God and doing as He requires, and that is loving one another. Correct? Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.³⁸This is the first and great commandment. ³⁹And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.⁴⁰On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. ______________________________________ ~Be thou my wisdom, be thou my true word, Be thou ever with me, and I with thee Lord; Be thou my great Father, and I thy true son; Be thou in me dwelling, and I with thee one. ~
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 05 September 2012 at 12:17pm
	I think we need to decide what real Ummah is... what real unity for God is. :-)
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 05 September 2012 at 1:53pm
	Larry, Kish and the like, you have only shown how small and limited your sight is otherwise you would have not said what you did. Rejoice for your lack of understanding and blinds you all have put over your sight. It only make you look like little ones. First your Oops actually goes perfect for yourself, wonder how? First, we are showing you a quote from your Bible, not because we need a proof, but you. And according to that, Jesus indeed cried to his Lord as "Allah" which is spelled in modern Bibles as "Eloh" with "i" which stands for "Oh" in Jesus' native Aramaic. If there were tape recorders at that time, his cries would be heard as you hear a Muslim calls upon God, "Allah". Second, Muslims claim that God did not let the Jews kill Jesus (pbuh), we do not say that he was not put on the cross. Those are two different things. So sorry to bust your bubble, again. On the subject of Allah or God, please start a separate thread and we will be glad to answer your question, this is not the thread for it. Hasan Edited by honeto - 05 September 2012 at 1:55pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 05 September 2012 at 7:25pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* Larry, Kish and the like, you have only shown how small and limited your sight is otherwise you would have not said what you did. Rejoice for your lack of understanding and blinds you all have put over your sight. It only make you look like little ones. First your Oops actually goes perfect for yourself, wonder how? First, we are showing you a quote from your Bible, not because we need a proof, but you. And according to that, Jesus indeed cried to his Lord as "Allah" which is spelled in modern Bibles as "Eloh" with "i" which stands for "Oh" in Jesus' native Aramaic. If there were tape recorders at that time, his cries would be heard as you hear a Muslim calls upon God, "Allah". Second, Muslims claim that God did not let the Jews kill Jesus (pbuh), we do not say that he was not put on the cross. Those are two different things. So sorry to bust your bubble, again. On the subject of Allah or God, please start a separate thread and we will be glad to answer your question, this is not the thread for it. Hasan Greetings Hasan, I wish they would have allowed my reply which I posted before you, to have appeared.
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housedir Male Christian Starter. Joined: 05 September 2012 Location: Venezuela Online Status: Offline Posts: 1	Posted: 05 September 2012 at 7:59pm
	I think if it was
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