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Nur_Ilahi

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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 6:38am

Originally posted by believer

As I understand in Hinduism all the humans, animals, gods, and objects are one divine being

That is why Christianity is no better than Hinduism since both are worshipping the Creator thru a creation of His.

It is indeed an 'insult' to the Greatness of God, that God who could create the furthest of the stars and the deepest of the oceans, dwell in a creation of His.

This is what Aqidah in Islam is all about.

That there is no other God worthy of being worshipped except ALLAH Al-Khaliq. (God the Creator).

Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.

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Posted: 26 May 2008 at 11:26am

LOL!! Nur- Christians do not believe that GOD manifests as objects, what would be the point of that?

Muslims believe that Allah's word/thought is manifest in the Quran. Christians believe that Jesus is GOD's Word.

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Posted: 27 May 2008 at 5:41pm

"believer" You are right, God's Word, and not God. We have cleared that up for you before.

But the problem is that you don't stick to your ground and say things other than that. Let me rephrase all of your standings on this matter so far.

As you said above:

1- " Jesus is God's Word" good we agree with you on that.

but you have said before these other things as well:

2- " Jesus is the only Son of God, who was offered for sacrificed by God".

3- " Jesus is God, who came on the earth as a man"

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 27 May 2008 at 5:43pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 29 May 2008 at 6:45am

So you are agreeing that Jesus is a part of GOD!!

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Posted: 29 May 2008 at 3:12pm

Originally posted by believer

So you are agreeing that Jesus is a part of GOD!!

Where did I say that?

Hasan

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 01 June 2008 at 7:25am

" Jesus is God's Word"

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Posted: 02 June 2008 at 4:50am

HI Believer,

Jesus is a word of God, God said "be" and then Jesus was created, Quran 19:9.

"He said, "Thus said your Lord: `It is easy for Me to do. I created you before that, and you were nothing.' "

Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.

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Posted: 02 June 2008 at 1:53pm

Originally posted by believer

" Jesus is God's Word"

believer,

of course Jesus is God's word, does that make Him God, no.

4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of allah, and His word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. and enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.

Also:

3:59 The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

Remember whatever is given or is from God (i.e., God's word, God's spirit, God's servent, God's creation) is as such and not God, just like whatever is your's (i.e., your house, your spirit, your son etc.) is not you. It's that simple.

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 02 June 2008 at 1:56pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Nur_Ilahi Senior Member Joined: 19 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1031	Posted: 23 May 2008 at 6:38am
	*Originally posted by believer* As I understand in Hinduism all the humans, animals, gods, and objects are one divine being That is why Christianity is no better than Hinduism since both are worshipping the Creator thru a creation of His. It is indeed an 'insult' to the Greatness of God, that God who could create the furthest of the stars and the deepest of the oceans, dwell in a creation of His. This is what Aqidah in Islam is all about. That there is no other God worthy of being worshipped except ALLAH Al-Khaliq. (God the Creator).
	Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 26 May 2008 at 11:26am
	LOL!! Nur- Christians do not believe that GOD manifests as objects, what would be the point of that? Muslims believe that Allah's word/thought is manifest in the Quran. Christians believe that Jesus is GOD's Word.
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 27 May 2008 at 5:41pm
	"believer" You are right, God's Word, and not God. We have cleared that up for you before. But the problem is that you don't stick to your ground and say things other than that. Let me rephrase all of your standings on this matter so far. As you said above: 1- " Jesus is God's Word" good we agree with you on that. but you have said before these other things as well: 2- " Jesus is the only Son of God, who was offered for sacrificed by God". 3- " Jesus is God, who came on the earth as a man" Hasan Edited by honeto - 27 May 2008 at 5:43pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 29 May 2008 at 6:45am
	So you are agreeing that Jesus is a part of GOD!!
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 29 May 2008 at 3:12pm
	*Originally posted by believer* So you are agreeing that Jesus is a part of GOD!! Where did I say that? Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 01 June 2008 at 7:25am
	" Jesus is God's Word"
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Nur_Ilahi Senior Member Joined: 19 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1031	Posted: 02 June 2008 at 4:50am
	HI Believer, Jesus is a word of God, God said "be" and then Jesus was created, Quran 19:9. "He said, "Thus said your Lord: `It is easy for Me to do. I created you before that, and you were nothing.' "
	Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 02 June 2008 at 1:53pm
	*Originally posted by believer* " Jesus is God's Word" believer, of course Jesus is God's word, does that make Him God, no. 4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of allah, and His word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. and enough is God as a Disposer of affairs. Also: 3:59 The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. Remember whatever is given or is from God (i.e., God's word, God's spirit, God's servent, God's creation) is as such and not God, just like whatever is your's (i.e., your house, your spirit, your son etc.) is not you. It's that simple. Hasan Edited by honeto - 02 June 2008 at 1:56pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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