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Quote HafizHanif Replybullet Posted: 15 August 2014 at 9:33am
Peace be with all who read this.

It takes faith to believe someone to be dead and raised to life. 

An account of Yeshua raising Lazarus to life after being dead for four days is available... and for those who witnessed it, they were challenged to believe what they saw and one could imagine what the conversations were like when speaking to Lazarus whom they saw dead and buried.

And who raised Lazurus?  Yeshua.  The same Yeshua who is believed to have spoken as an infant and who gave life to clay in the shape of a bird.  Who else can do such things or has ever done such things in the history of man?  This Yeshua was no ordinary man and quite more than a prophet as those before Him.

The entire point of the message of salvation is that God raises people to life after they taste death... and this is what was promised to David:

"Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will rest secure, because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, nor will you let your faithful one see decay.  You make known to me the path of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand."

- Psalm 16:9-11

These are things of faith, not logic.

These are things of faith. 

The reading of things of faith through the lens of opinions and human logic produces obvious results: doubt.

What God does and can do is illogical, so how is it best explained when people don't believe what God can do ( which is anything He pleases )?

Do not think that believing the message of the gospel makes you any less a Muslim or any less zealous for God... for Christ Himself was the epitome of submission before God without equal and all others a distant second place ( and one would find this out be reading about Him in the gospel ).

What does Peter say after seeing Yeshua rise, after Yeshua appearing to him and many others in Spirit and physical form and showing the wounds from the crucifixion:

God raised him from the dead so that he will never be subject to decay. As God has said,

“‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings promised to David.’ [ Isaiah 55:3 ]"

So it is also stated elsewhere:

“‘You will not let your holy one see decay.’ [ Psalm 16 ]"

"Now when David had served God’s purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his ancestors and his body decayed. But the one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay.

“Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Yeshua the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses. Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you:

“‘Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.’” [ Habakkuk 1:5 ]

- Acts 13:34-41

Instead of humbly searching, the scoffers then and now follow the charismatic or the revered or the powerful, but what does it say:

And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.  Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.  And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.

- Matthew 18:3-5

Reading the arguments in this entire thread I read so much pride and arrogance, but very few actually having an open mind and open heart... very few are humble... and what does it say about that:

He mocks proud mockers but shows favor to the humble and oppressed.  The wise inherit honor, but fools get only shame.

- Proverbs 3:34-35

People who look at the earliest of manuscripts ( who perform "textual criticism" ) find that the message of Christ being murdered and risen to life hasn't changed... yet 600 years later we hear of yet another idea that contradicts the message and contradicts the secular accounts.   

Yeshua was born into a well established empire with communication traveling to all corners of that empire.  The Roman system was employed to carry the messengers.  In their wake they left the accounts and evidence of miracles performed in the Name of Yeshua.  Not every bit of account from a secular view point has survived time, but the few that have are quite convincing on their own.

To think that ancient scribes of history and those who recorded the current events simply lied or followed a lie is quite controversial.  The secular world had nothing to gain by forwarding a lie... nor did the Jews who disbelieved had anything to gain... so where is the incentive or boasting on the part of those who doubted or could care less about the message?

The Christians . . . worship a man to this day--the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. . . . [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.

- Lucian of Samsata, The Death of Peregrine, 11-13, in The Works of Lucian of Samosata, transl. by H.W. Fowler and F.G. Fowler, 4 vols. (Oxford: Clarendon, 1949), vol. 4., cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 206.

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald . . . cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."

- Account in the Babylonian Talmud [ the Jewish non-believing perspective ], Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 202-03.




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