I was going to reply but have decided you are not worth the trouble. Your nasty and personal attack on me by saying that I am "not that important anyway," is typical of your rude, juvenile style.

Another self-proclaimed "victory" by you, Hasan? How typical of your style. Oh, yeah, by the way Hasan, how could Jesus pay "WITH HIS BLOOD" if He was rescued by "Allah" before He could be crucified? You really need to get your story straight before making comments that contradict others that you have previously posted.

Larry

Hasan,

   You said, "We in Islam do not teach blood sacrifice nor we teach that sins are paid with blood, those are your and those like you's idea!"

   In Islam you may not believe that blood will pay for your sins, but others have taught that the "Black Stone" can fulfill this function.

   But in Islam it is taught that the "Black Stone" in Mecca has the power to remove a Muslim's sins. It was sent from God pure white in color but turned black because of the sins of Muslims (or people in general). Not only will the stone absolve sins, it will also develop "eyes to see with" and a "mouth to testify for those Muslims who have touched it with sincerity."

   In Christianity and Judaism we don't believe that former pagan Arabic idols from the Kaaba can remove sins nor do we believe that this stone will "see" or "talk" in the future.

   You also say that, "We in Islam do not teach blood sacrifice nor we teach that sins are paid in blood."

   No "blood sacrifice?"

   "It is considered incumbent upon sufficiently wealthy Muslims to sacrifice a large mammal during Eid al-Adha (the Festival of Sacrifice), which falls during the period of the Hajj. Typically, a sheep or goat is sacrificed, although some sacrifice cattle or a camel instead. Over 100 million animals are slaughtered annually during Eid al-Adha across the Islamic world, within a 48 hour period."

   What would you call THE SACRIFICE OF ONE HUNDRED MILLION ANIMALS EVERY YEAR IN A PERIOD OF 48 HOURS? (or do the animals not BLEED during their sacrifice?)

   Hasan, I am quite happy and content to have my personal faith in Jesus Christ as the True Messiah, especially since I have been reading about the Islamic faith and also reading the ENTIRE Qur'an. The discrepancies in the Qur'an, such as how many days it took God to create the world, or how the "People of the Book" are to be seen and treated by Muslims (it varies widely on this point), have convinced me that Islam is not a "religion" that I could ever possibly believe in. I appreciate the fact that you are trying to "teach" me and thus save me from hell) that Islam is the true religion of God, but your advice has fallen on deaf ears on this end.

   The idea that Jesus Christ was "saved" from crucifixion at the last moment by Allah, goes against all ancient sources that attest to the fact that Jesus was crucified under the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate, during the reign of Emperor Tiberius.

   And the idea of Muslims that Jesus was "saved" from crucifixion by Allah, never can say WHO was the unlucky person who was crucified in Jesus's place? Or was it some kind of mass hallucination of all the ancient writers?

   There are simply too many of these unexplained problems within Islam, and particularly since all other previous copies of the Qur'an were deliberately destroyed (other than Hafsah's Codex which was deliberately destroyed decades later AFTER Uthman used it to make "four perfect copies" and then return it, unharmed, to Hafsah)), on the orders of Uthman after he completed the "standardization" of the Qur'anic text.
       
   Sorry, Bud, but I cannot for these and many other reasons believe that Islam is the true religion of God, nor can I accept that Allah is the same God as that of the Jews and Christians, because the Qur'an contradicts both the Old and New Testaments in hundreds of places while the Old and New Testaments mesh perfectly with each other, the Old Testament giving way to the New Testament, or Covenant, of Jesus Christ.

   So this "tit-for-tat" questioning we have done with each other has not made anyone change their mind in the slightest degree in regard to each person's religious faith, and now is just providing a forum for us to beat this subject to death. If you have something new to discuss in this thread dealing with Jesus Christ's crucifixion, then I am up for it.

Larry

   

Edited by Larry - 26 November 2012 at 9:49pm

Hasan,

   If, as you say, "there is answer for everything in Islam," you seem singularly unwilling to provide the answers to questions I have been asking you for months. When you decide to follow your own rules, I will do the same. Until then I have no interest in continuing this endless nonsense.

Larry

Edited by Larry - 30 November 2012 at 7:30pm