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Posted: 02 July 2012 at 9:33pm

Originally posted by iec786

It may not have been possible for Muhammad to understand these things correctly,
Why not?.Did the prophet Jesus not say i will sent him unto you he will guide you into all truth and he shell glorify me????? I would like to pose one question to you?show me one person that came after Jesus from God to glorify Jesus????just one.

as he only thought in human terms, and so he taught incorrectly to the Arab people according to his own translation.

My thoughts.

You are correct your thoughts.The problem with you is that you do not know your Bible and you certainly have no idea of what Islam is.If you really want to know pleas feel free to ask but the attitude that you have will get you nowhere.

Jesus said to those who believe in Him, He would send a comforter, the Holy Spirit. Those who know Jesus, know what it is to receive the Holy Spirit, and to have God with them. I know personally for He has been my only comfort through terrible times. I believe this was something Muhammad could not understand, what this means to receive a spirit... the Spirit of God which becomes part of oneself. The Holy Spirit, through the Word, has been, and is, my guide. The Word lives in me. This is not a message all can receive... only those who have received the Spirit will understand and know Truth, know God in a personal way.

If I understand correctly Muslims believe this comforter was human. They believe he was Muhammad.

Again you feel the need to insult me by saying what I know and do not know(according to your thoughts, your opinion) when I share my thoughts which have come after much study.

May God bring all into light
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Posted: 04 July 2012 at 4:27pm

Caringheart,
but the comforter Jesus (pbuh) spoke of cannot be the Holy Spirit. According to the Bible, Holy spirit had been with Jesus and many others already.
John 14:16 and 17 are interesting let us look at 17 first:
About the comforter it is said"...but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." suggest that it is someone they already know like 'Holy Spirit'. But wait look at 16: " And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"
Here it talks about "another" comforter. Holy Spirit which was already with them could not be "another" because supposedly it's same. Also note 16 for its words: "I will pray the Father" this is Jesus' words for those who believe in the Bible and need attention for those who see him as God, God does not pray to anyone.

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 04 July 2012 at 4:35pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 04 July 2012 at 10:45pm

Originally posted by honeto

Caringheart,
but the comforter Jesus (pbuh) spoke of cannot be the Holy Spirit. According to the Bible, Holy spirit had been with Jesus and many others already.
John 14:16 and 17 are interesting let us look at 17 first:
About the comforter it is said"...but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." suggest that it is someone they already know like 'Holy Spirit'. But wait look at 16: " And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"
Here it talks about "another" comforter. Holy Spirit which was already with them could not be "another" because supposedly it's same. Also note 16 for its words: "I will pray the Father" this is Jesus' words for those who believe in the Bible and need attention for those who see him as God, God does not pray to anyone.

Hasan

Here are just a few misunderstandings. The Bible, like the Qur'an takes much to understand.

"If you love Me you will keep My commands. And I will ask the Father and He will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever - the Spirit of truth. The world can not accept Him because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you know Him, because He lives with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long the world will not see Me anymore but you will see Me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you. Whoever has My commands and keeps them is the one who loves Me. the one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I too will love them and show Myself to them." - the words of Jesus

This is where translations help.

While He was with them, Jesus was their comfort. He is letting them know that He is to be taken from them but that because they believe in Him, the Father will send another comforter to be with them... the Holy Spirit which is to remain and indwell with those who love God. With those who love Him, because the fruit of that Love is that they will keep His commands.

and yes, God does not pray to anyone, but God as the Son, who is still in the flesh, prays to His Father which is still Spirit in heaven.

and I know this is not something you understand or accept. Only God reveals Truth to those He chooses to reveal it to, and only God knows the Truth.

Until judgement day we must seek that Truth and earnestly pray to God that He will reveal it to us so that we do not find ourselves to be wrong on that day.

Blessings.

Edited by Caringheart - 04 July 2012 at 10:46pm

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Posted: 06 July 2012 at 2:18pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

Jesus said to those who believe in Him, He would send a comforter, the Holy Spirit. Those who know Jesus, know what it is to receive the Holy Spirit, and to have God with them. I know personally for He has been my only comfort through terrible times. I believe this was something Muhammad could not understand, what this means to receive a spirit... the Spirit of God which becomes part of oneself. The Holy Spirit, through the Word, has been, and is, my guide. The Word lives in me. This is not a message all can receive... only those who have received the Spirit will understand and know Truth, know God in a personal way.If I understand correctly Muslims believe this comforter was human. They believe he was Muhammad.Again you feel the need to insult me by saying what I know and do not know(according to your thoughts, your opinion) when I share my thoughts which have come after much study.May God bring all into lightSalaam

Insult????? no i did not insult you.If you feel i have then i apologize.Please accept my humble apologies.

This spirit you speak of Jesus said he will show you into all truth.Jesus said I have many things to say to you but ye cannot bear them now,howbeit if i go i will send him and he will show you.

My question to you is Show me just one new thing that this Holy Goast has shown you in 2000 years that Jesus did not teach you?just one Jesus said many i am asking for only one.

Edited by iec786 - 07 July 2012 at 11:00pm

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Posted: 09 July 2012 at 9:33pm

Originally posted by iec786

Insult????? no i did not insult you.If you feel i have then i apologize.Please accept my humble apologies.

This spirit you speak of Jesus said he will show you into all truth.Jesus said I have many things to say to you but ye cannot bear them now,howbeit if i go i will send him and he will show you.

My question to you is Show me just one new thing that this Holy Goast has shown you in 2000 years that Jesus did not teach you?just one Jesus said many i am asking for only one.

Regarding your question;
The Holy Spirit came to the Apostles(at Pentacost) and showed them the Truth of Jesus and the resurrection. Jesus knew they could not bear to hear of what He was facing and how He would be put to death, but assured them that they would come to know and understand all, and they did. It is why they again went out to preach the message of Jesus.
The Holy Spirit shows me Truth every day in my life.

The Holy Spirit has convicted me when I have made idols of my children, putting them before God.
It has convicted me of my anger when I 'turned not away wrath with a gentle word, but rather my tongue cut like a knife'. When I am 'too quick to speak and too slow to listen'. The Holy Spirit lets me know God is with me and that He forgives... that the One who 'made me in the womb' understands me, my weaknesses, and my faults, and is pleased simply that I listen to the Spirit with the purpose of correcting these faults... putting God first and accepting His will in all things. This is the Holy Spirit that lives within me. It is the Spirit that guides us into all Truth... that convicts us in our hearts of right and wrong, good and evil, and leads us to God's way. This Spirit does not live in me if I do not keep God's word in my heart, 'renewing my mind with His Word daily'.
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Posted: 10 July 2012 at 11:27pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

Greetings Ismail,The insult was in telling me that I do not know my Bible and that I know nothing of Islam. (In case you do not understand how it is that I felt insulted.)However apology has been accepted. Forgiveness is easy. [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />Regarding your question;The Holy Spirit came to the Apostles(at Pentacost) and showed them the Truth of Jesus and the resurrection. Jesus knew they could not bear to hear of what He was facing and how He would be put to death, but assured them that they would come to know and understand all, and they did. It is why they again went out to preach the message of Jesus. The Holy Spirit shows me Truth every day in my life.The Holy Spirit has convicted me when I have made idols of my children, putting them before God.It has convicted me of my anger when I 'turned not away wrath with a gentle word, but rather my tongue cut like a knife'. When I am 'too quick to speak and too slow to listen'. The Holy Spirit lets me know God is with me and that He forgives... that the One who 'made me in the womb' understands me, my weaknesses, and my faults, and is pleased simply that I listen to the Spirit with the purpose of correcting these faults... putting God first and accepting His will in all things. This is the Holy Spirit that lives within me. It is the Spirit that guides us into all Truth... that convicts us in our hearts of right and wrong, good and evil, and leads us to God's way. This Spirit does not live in me if I do not keep God's word in my heart, 'renewing my mind with His Word daily'.[IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" />

Hi Caringheart,
All these good things that is happening to you is not what the comforter was to come and give you.I will read this verse again and try to explain.

If I take the liberty of quoting the prophecy under discussion, with an emphasis on
the pronouns, you will agree without any persuasion that the coming Comforter was
to be a man and not a ghost.

Howbeit when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will
guide you into all truth:
for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He
shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will show you
things to come.

Please count the number of HE's in the above verse. There are SEVEN! Seven
masculine pronouns in a single verse! There is not another verse in the 66 books of
the Protestant Bible or in the 73 Books of the Catholic Bible with seven masculine
pronouns, or seven feminine pronouns, or with seven neuter genders. You will agree
that so many masculine pronouns in one verse ill befits a Ghost, holy or not! NINE MASCULINE PRONOUNS.He shall show you all truth.The name of the Prophet Muhammad was Al-Amien the truthful.

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Posted: 12 July 2012 at 1:17pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

Here are just a few misunderstandings. The Bible, like the Qur'an takes much to understand.

This is where translations help.

and yes, God does not pray to anyone, but God as the Son, who is still in the flesh, prays to His Father which is still Spirit in heaven.

and I know this is not something you understand or accept. Only God reveals Truth to those He chooses to reveal it to, and only God knows the Truth.

Until judgement day we must seek that Truth and earnestly pray to God that He will reveal it to us so that we do not find ourselves to be wrong on that day.

Blessings.

Caringheart,
I agree it takes effort to understand any Holy Book. Same times we should not overlook the face value of words or verses just because they don't serve our purpose so we try to look hidden meanings or just interpret them the way we like them to mean, and you call it "translation", it is your interpretation. What I posted was traslation as it appears in the Bible.

I will once more break down the verses I posted:
You say it was about holy spirit while Jesus is quoted here to have said: "I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another comforter".
in verse 17 it says: "but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you". This completely shows the truth of the matter.
How it is that something that already dwells with them according to one verse can be same comforter " "to give you another comforter" ?

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 12 July 2012 at 1:28pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 12 July 2012 at 3:39pm

Originally posted by honeto

[QUOTE=Caringheart]

I will once more break down the verses I posted:
You say it was about holy spirit while Jesus is quoted here to have said: "I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another comforter".
in verse 17 it says: "but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you". This completely shows the truth of the matter.
How it is that something that already dwells with them according to one verse can be same comforter " "to give you another comforter" ?

Hasan

I thought I had explained this but maybe I did not do it clearly. I'll give it another try. It is always hard to know if there are language barriers between us.

While Jesus was with His disciples He was their comfort. He is explaining to His disciples that, though He must be taken from them, He will still be with them because the Father will send the Holy Spirit(another comforter) after He goes.

Jesus was quite clear in His words that the Holy Spirit would come to His disciples.

Did I do any better with that explanation, or still just as confusing?

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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 02 July 2012 at 9:33pm
	*Originally posted by iec786* It may not have been possible for Muhammad to understand these things correctly, Why not?.Did the prophet Jesus not say i will sent him unto you he will guide you into all truth and he shell glorify me????? I would like to pose one question to you?show me one person that came after Jesus from God to glorify Jesus????just one. as he only thought in human terms, and so he taught incorrectly to the Arab people according to his own translation. My thoughts. You are correct your thoughts.The problem with you is that you do not know your Bible and you certainly have no idea of what Islam is.If you really want to know pleas feel free to ask but the attitude that you have will get you nowhere. Jesus said to those who believe in Him, He would send a comforter, the Holy Spirit. Those who know Jesus, know what it is to receive the Holy Spirit, and to have God with them. I know personally for He has been my only comfort through terrible times. I believe this was something Muhammad could not understand, what this means to receive a spirit... the Spirit of God which becomes part of oneself. The Holy Spirit, through the Word, has been, and is, my guide. The Word lives in me. This is not a message all can receive... only those who have received the Spirit will understand and know Truth, know God in a personal way. If I understand correctly Muslims believe this comforter was human. They believe he was Muhammad. Again you feel the need to insult me by saying what I know and do not know(according to your thoughts, your opinion) when I share my thoughts which have come after much study. May God bring all into light Salaam
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 04 July 2012 at 4:27pm
	Caringheart, but the comforter Jesus (pbuh) spoke of cannot be the Holy Spirit. According to the Bible, Holy spirit had been with Jesus and many others already. John 14:16 and 17 are interesting let us look at 17 first: About the comforter it is said"...but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." suggest that it is someone they already know like 'Holy Spirit'. But wait look at 16: " And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" Here it talks about "another" comforter. Holy Spirit which was already with them could not be "another" because supposedly it's same. Also note 16 for its words: "I will pray the Father" this is Jesus' words for those who believe in the Bible and need attention for those who see him as God, God does not pray to anyone. Hasan Edited by honeto - 04 July 2012 at 4:35pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 04 July 2012 at 10:45pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* Caringheart, but the comforter Jesus (pbuh) spoke of cannot be the Holy Spirit. According to the Bible, Holy spirit had been with Jesus and many others already. John 14:16 and 17 are interesting let us look at 17 first: About the comforter it is said"...but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." suggest that it is someone they already know like 'Holy Spirit'. But wait look at 16: " And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" Here it talks about "another" comforter. Holy Spirit which was already with them could not be "another" because supposedly it's same. Also note 16 for its words: "I will pray the Father" this is Jesus' words for those who believe in the Bible and need attention for those who see him as God, God does not pray to anyone. Hasan Here are just a few misunderstandings. The Bible, like the Qur'an takes much to understand. "If you love Me you will keep My commands. And I will ask the Father and He will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever - the Spirit of truth. The world can not accept Him because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you know Him, because He lives with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long the world will not see Me anymore but you will see Me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you. Whoever has My commands and keeps them is the one who loves Me. the one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I too will love them and show Myself to them." - the words of Jesus This is where translations help. While He was with them, Jesus was their comfort. He is letting them know that He is to be taken from them but that because they believe in Him, the Father will send another comforter to be with them... the Holy Spirit which is to remain and indwell with those who love God. With those who love Him, because the fruit of that Love is that they will keep His commands. and yes, God does not pray to anyone, but God as the Son, who is still in the flesh, prays to His Father which is still Spirit in heaven. and I know this is not something you understand or accept. Only God reveals Truth to those He chooses to reveal it to, and only God knows the Truth. Until judgement day we must seek that Truth and earnestly pray to God that He will reveal it to us so that we do not find ourselves to be wrong on that day. Blessings. Edited by Caringheart - 04 July 2012 at 10:46pm
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iec786 Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 282	Posted: 06 July 2012 at 2:18pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by iec786* It may not have been possible for Muhammad to understand these things correctly, Why not?.Did the prophet Jesus not say i will sent him unto you he will guide you into all truth and he shell glorify me????? I would like to pose one question to you?show me one person that came after Jesus from God to glorify Jesus????just one. as he only thought in human terms, and so he taught incorrectly to the Arab people according to his own translation. My thoughts. You are correct your thoughts.The problem with you is that you do not know your Bible and you certainly have no idea of what Islam is.If you really want to know pleas feel free to ask but the attitude that you have will get you nowhere. Jesus said to those who believe in Him, He would send a comforter, the Holy Spirit. Those who know Jesus, know what it is to receive the Holy Spirit, and to have God with them. I know personally for He has been my only comfort through terrible times. I believe this was something Muhammad could not understand, what this means to receive a spirit... the Spirit of God which becomes part of oneself. The Holy Spirit, through the Word, has been, and is, my guide. The Word lives in me. This is not a message all can receive... only those who have received the Spirit will understand and know Truth, know God in a personal way.If I understand correctly Muslims believe this comforter was human. They believe he was Muhammad.Again you feel the need to insult me by saying what I know and do not know(according to your thoughts, your opinion) when I share my thoughts which have come after much study.May God bring all into lightSalaam Insult????? no i did not insult you.If you feel i have then i apologize.Please accept my humble apologies. This spirit you speak of Jesus said he will show you into all truth.Jesus said I have many things to say to you but ye cannot bear them now,howbeit if i go i will send him and he will show you. My question to you is Show me just one new thing that this Holy Goast has shown you in 2000 years that Jesus did not teach you?just one Jesus said many i am asking for only one. Edited by iec786 - 07 July 2012 at 11:00pm
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 09 July 2012 at 9:33pm
	*Originally posted by iec786* Insult????? no i did not insult you.If you feel i have then i apologize.Please accept my humble apologies. This spirit you speak of Jesus said he will show you into all truth.Jesus said I have many things to say to you but ye cannot bear them now,howbeit if i go i will send him and he will show you. My question to you is Show me just one new thing that this Holy Goast has shown you in 2000 years that Jesus did not teach you?just one Jesus said many i am asking for only one. Greetings Ismail, The insult was in telling me that I do not know my Bible and that I know nothing of Islam. (In case you do not understand how it is that I felt insulted.) However apology has been accepted. Forgiveness is easy. Regarding your question; The Holy Spirit came to the Apostles(at Pentacost) and showed them the Truth of Jesus and the resurrection. Jesus knew they could not bear to hear of what He was facing and how He would be put to death, but assured them that they would come to know and understand all, and they did. It is why they again went out to preach the message of Jesus. The Holy Spirit shows me Truth every day in my life. The Holy Spirit has convicted me when I have made idols of my children, putting them before God. It has convicted me of my anger when I 'turned not away wrath with a gentle word, but rather my tongue cut like a knife'. When I am 'too quick to speak and too slow to listen'. The Holy Spirit lets me know God is with me and that He forgives... that the One who 'made me in the womb' understands me, my weaknesses, and my faults, and is pleased simply that I listen to the Spirit with the purpose of correcting these faults... putting God first and accepting His will in all things. This is the Holy Spirit that lives within me. It is the Spirit that guides us into all Truth... that convicts us in our hearts of right and wrong, good and evil, and leads us to God's way. This Spirit does not live in me if I do not keep God's word in my heart, 'renewing my mind with His Word daily'.
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iec786 Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 282	Posted: 10 July 2012 at 11:27pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by iec786* Insult????? no i did not insult you.If you feel i have then i apologize.Please accept my humble apologies. This spirit you speak of Jesus said he will show you into all truth.Jesus said I have many things to say to you but ye cannot bear them now,howbeit if i go i will send him and he will show you. My question to you is Show me just one new thing that this Holy Goast has shown you in 2000 years that Jesus did not teach you?just one Jesus said many i am asking for only one. Greetings Ismail,The insult was in telling me that I do not know my Bible and that I know nothing of Islam. (In case you do not understand how it is that I felt insulted.)However apology has been accepted. Forgiveness is easy. [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />Regarding your question;The Holy Spirit came to the Apostles(at Pentacost) and showed them the Truth of Jesus and the resurrection. Jesus knew they could not bear to hear of what He was facing and how He would be put to death, but assured them that they would come to know and understand all, and they did. It is why they again went out to preach the message of Jesus. The Holy Spirit shows me Truth every day in my life.The Holy Spirit has convicted me when I have made idols of my children, putting them before God.It has convicted me of my anger when I 'turned not away wrath with a gentle word, but rather my tongue cut like a knife'. When I am 'too quick to speak and too slow to listen'. The Holy Spirit lets me know God is with me and that He forgives... that the One who 'made me in the womb' understands me, my weaknesses, and my faults, and is pleased simply that I listen to the Spirit with the purpose of correcting these faults... putting God first and accepting His will in all things. This is the Holy Spirit that lives within me. It is the Spirit that guides us into all Truth... that convicts us in our hearts of right and wrong, good and evil, and leads us to God's way. This Spirit does not live in me if I do not keep God's word in my heart, 'renewing my mind with His Word daily'.[IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" /> Hi Caringheart, All these good things that is happening to you is not what the comforter was to come and give you.I will read this verse again and try to explain. If I take the liberty of quoting the prophecy under discussion, with an emphasis on the pronouns, you will agree without any persuasion that the coming Comforter was to be a man and not a ghost. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will show you things to come. Please count the number of HE's in the above verse. There are SEVEN! Seven masculine pronouns in a single verse! There is not another verse in the 66 books of the Protestant Bible or in the 73 Books of the Catholic Bible with seven masculine pronouns, or seven feminine pronouns, or with seven neuter genders. You will agree that so many masculine pronouns in one verse ill befits a Ghost, holy or not! NINE MASCULINE PRONOUNS.He shall show you all truth.The name of the Prophet Muhammad was Al-Amien the truthful.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 12 July 2012 at 1:17pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by honeto* Caringheart, but the comforter Jesus (pbuh) spoke of cannot be the Holy Spirit. According to the Bible, Holy spirit had been with Jesus and many others already. John 14:16 and 17 are interesting let us look at 17 first: About the comforter it is said"...but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." suggest that it is someone they already know like 'Holy Spirit'. But wait look at 16: " And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" Here it talks about "another" comforter. Holy Spirit which was already with them could not be "another" because supposedly it's same. Also note 16 for its words: "I will pray the Father" this is Jesus' words for those who believe in the Bible and need attention for those who see him as God, God does not pray to anyone. Hasan Here are just a few misunderstandings. The Bible, like the Qur'an takes much to understand. "If you love Me you will keep My commands. And I will ask the Father and He will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever - the Spirit of truth. The world can not accept Him because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you know Him, because He lives with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long the world will not see Me anymore but you will see Me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you. Whoever has My commands and keeps them is the one who loves Me. the one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I too will love them and show Myself to them." - the words of Jesus This is where translations help. While He was with them, Jesus was their comfort. He is letting them know that He is to be taken from them but that because they believe in Him, the Father will send another comforter to be with them... the Holy Spirit which is to remain and indwell with those who love God. With those who love Him, because the fruit of that Love is that they will keep His commands. and yes, God does not pray to anyone, but God as the Son, who is still in the flesh, prays to His Father which is still Spirit in heaven. and I know this is not something you understand or accept. Only God reveals Truth to those He chooses to reveal it to, and only God knows the Truth. Until judgement day we must seek that Truth and earnestly pray to God that He will reveal it to us so that we do not find ourselves to be wrong on that day. Blessings. Caringheart, I agree it takes effort to understand any Holy Book. Same times we should not overlook the face value of words or verses just because they don't serve our purpose so we try to look hidden meanings or just interpret them the way we like them to mean, and you call it "translation", it is your interpretation. What I posted was traslation as it appears in the Bible. I will once more break down the verses I posted: You say it was about holy spirit while Jesus is quoted here to have said: "I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another comforter". in verse 17 it says: "but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you". This completely shows the truth of the matter. How it is that something that already dwells with them according to one verse can be same comforter " "to give you another comforter" ? Hasan Edited by honeto - 12 July 2012 at 1:28pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 12 July 2012 at 3:39pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* [QUOTE=Caringheart] I will once more break down the verses I posted: You say it was about holy spirit while Jesus is quoted here to have said: "I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another comforter". in verse 17 it says: "but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you". This completely shows the truth of the matter. How it is that something that already dwells with them according to one verse can be same comforter " "to give you another comforter" ? Hasan I thought I had explained this but maybe I did not do it clearly. I'll give it another try. It is always hard to know if there are language barriers between us. While Jesus was with His disciples He was their comfort. He is explaining to His disciples that, though He must be taken from them, He will still be with them because the Father will send the Holy Spirit(another comforter) after He goes. Jesus was quite clear in His words that the Holy Spirit would come to His disciples. Did I do any better with that explanation, or still just as confusing?
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