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Topic: Why do muslim countries not have strong economy?
Posted: 27 April 2008 at 3:00am

Salam Alaikum

Does anyone else know the reason why none of the muslim countries do not have a strong economy ? Most of them rich but they dont manage this richness why ? Who establish the first economy? Why cannot we have an open and strong economy ?

We should discuss these topics first before why USA invade Iraq because we lose and are lost in economical issues for last century? If Palestean or any other muslim country who suffers would have the same economy with Israel, Would they suffer so much ?

We should be councious I think, brothers and sisters...

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Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:29pm

Originally posted by deepblue

Salam Alaikum

Does anyone else know the reason why none of the muslim countries do not have a strong economy ?

walaikum assallam

I would say Malaysia is the exception!

They observed the humiliation of their British colonial masters by another colonial power the Japanese during WWII. They had an awakening to learn the requirement of being a free nation united in faith and discipline with an independent thinking national leadership who were not going to act as brown sahibs! They learned the rules of value added industry requiring high levels of technical education and rule of law!

Most of them rich but they dont manage this richness why ?
You must be thinking the oil producing countries! It is called easy come easy go!

Their richness is almost like the Nawabs and Maharajas in colonial India.

The Jewish operators under the guise of American diplomatic cover roam at will in the holy land!

Take the case of Pakistan a so called Islamic nation the day it was declared the American base started it’s establishment in the north west. Right now the country’s main politicos are on American payroll or they are stealing from that country and stashing in the US! The people are totally helpless!

Who establish the first economy?

According to Quran if I say it was Prophet Yusuf I won't be too far off think!

Then Adam Smith is generally after his Wealth of Nation initiated modern economics!

Why cannot we have an open and strong economy ?

The most Muslim populated countries have been former colonies and consequently have the bad habits of people in bondage, lack of faith, discipline and integrity. In there is constant altercation about interest but the people and politician have no qualms about loan defaults by intent and not even pay the principal.

The term economics comes from the Greek for oikos (house) and nomos (custom or law), hence "rules of the house(hold)."

. The places are in dire need of house cleaning before one can have the real functioning economy or rather any thing worthwhile!

I think with AKP rule Turkey's economy is doing pretty good!.

We should be councious I think, brothers and sisters...

You need to rephrase the last para about Iraq/Us/Israel/ Palestine etc- it is not clear!

Regards

deepblue

Edited by Sign*Reader - 28 April 2008 at 11:40pm

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Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:44pm

For Deep Blue,

Because, the Islamic countries have embraced 'Capitalistic' economy after about 400 years of western countries, whom you are comparing.

If you are comparing with the ex socialist countries, they are ahead of most of them.

"Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah"

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Posted: 29 April 2008 at 11:35am

Salam Alaikum

Does anyone else know the reason why none of the muslim countries do not have a strong economy ?

walaikum assallam

I would say Malaysia is the exception!

Really, I went to Malaysia... I saw a part of it thats why i am not sure but I dont think that there is a strong economy in Malaysia if you mean trade yes trade can make a country rich but cannot make a real economy... in order to have a strong economy you should produce you should have factories in each sector... who produce will have a word in word politics...

Yes it is true You are right!

Their richness is almost like the Nawabs and Maharajas in colonial India.

The Jewish operators under the guise of American diplomatic cover roam at will in the holy land!

According to Quran if I say it was Prophet Yusuf I won't be too far off think!

Really, I did not know that. Now I learned thank you ! What kind of economy did Yusuf implement ?

Then Adam Smith is generally after his Wealth of Nation initiated modern economics!

I know Adam Smith but who first practice it as a country as a nation ?

Why cannot we have an open and strong economy ?

Turkey has never been a colony but still It has problems with its economy... I think it is related with politics

The term economics comes from the Greek for oikos (house) and nomos (custom or law), hence "rules of the house(hold)."

. The places are in dire need of house cleaning before one can have the real functioning economy or rather any thing worthwhile!

I think with AKP rule Turkey's economy is doing pretty good!.

No I dont think so... Can you tell me one thing that They have done for Turkish Economy so far despite of that great power they took! It is related with mentality.

We should be councious I think, brothers and sisters...

You need to rephrase the last para about Iraq/Us/Israel/ Palestine etc- it is not clear!

Ok. I meant who has a strong economy who produces has a word in world politics and who does not have economy unfortunately does not have a word too in world politics and suffer!

deepblue

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Posted: 29 April 2008 at 11:39am

Originally posted by nu001

For Deep Blue,

Because, the Islamic countries have embraced 'Capitalistic' economy after about 400 years of western countries, whom you are comparing.

If you are comparing with the ex socialist countries, they are ahead of most of them.

I dont think so, most of the muslim countries like Asian countries are socialist. They could not establish a Capitalistic economy...

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Posted: 29 April 2008 at 12:18pm

Originally posted by deepblue

Originally posted by nu001

For Deep Blue,

Because, the Islamic countries have embraced 'Capitalistic' economy after about 400 years of western countries, whom you are comparing.

If you are comparing with the ex socialist countries, they are ahead of most of them.

I dont think so, most of the muslim countries like Asian countries are socialist. They could not establish a Capitalistic economy...

Your view is too simplistic, you mean anyone not socialist is capitalist economy. ME hosts the largest number of Muslim countries and they definitely didn't have a truely capilalistic economy. Almost like the Socialists, their investments were also mostly in the hand of the state. what do you think they were doing that the socialists were not doing, except the religious factor?

You cant take the example of Mal & Indo and call that all Islamic countries. I think except Pakistan and Afghanistan there is no Islamic country in Asia (Less ME). Rest all are secular democracies.

"Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah"

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Posted: 30 April 2008 at 11:21pm

In one breath you are talking of aunt Eekanomi and in the same breath you refuse to accept Eekanomi with Uncle Industria!

Primarily, sir, aunt Eekananomi doesn't lay eggs in a place which does not have grandfather Justice there. Rizq grows only in a healthy society. Plus, rizq is not just the number of factories a country has, what about the National contentment factor?

Sasha Khanzadeh

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Posted: 06 July 2008 at 4:05am

the muslim countries were ecnomicaly back, because they use their money & mind only in fightning with each other, but not to get united & work for one misison of Prophet Mohammad SAWW. they need to have a stratgic view over it and work for & onbehalf of imparting education to their children & to work hard for their economic reconstruction.

thanks

wa salam alykum wa rahmatu allah wa barakata hu

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deepblue Senior Member Joined: 14 June 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 166	Topic: Why do muslim countries not have strong economy? Posted: 27 April 2008 at 3:00am
	Salam Alaikum Does anyone else know the reason why none of the muslim countries do not have a strong economy ? Most of them rich but they dont manage this richness why ? Who establish the first economy? Why cannot we have an open and strong economy ? We should discuss these topics first before why USA invade Iraq because we lose and are lost in economical issues for last century? If Palestean or any other muslim country who suffers would have the same economy with Israel, Would they suffer so much ? We should be councious I think, brothers and sisters... Regards deepblue
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:29pm
	*Originally posted by deepblue* Salam Alaikum Does anyone else know the reason why none of the muslim countries do not have a strong economy ? walaikum assallam I would say Malaysia is the exception! They observed the humiliation of their British colonial masters by another colonial power the Japanese during WWII. They had an awakening to learn the requirement of being a free nation united in faith and discipline with an independent thinking national leadership who were not going to act as brown sahibs! They learned the rules of value added industry requiring high levels of technical education and rule of law! Most of them rich but they dont manage this richness why ? You must be thinking the oil producing countries! It is called easy come easy go! Their richness is almost like the Nawabs and Maharajas in colonial India. The Jewish operators under the guise of American diplomatic cover roam at will in the holy land! Take the case of Pakistan a so called Islamic nation the day it was declared the American base started it’s establishment in the north west. Right now the country’s main politicos are on American payroll or they are stealing from that country and stashing in the US! The people are totally helpless! Who establish the first economy? According to Quran if I say it was Prophet Yusuf I won't be too far off think! Then Adam Smith is generally after his Wealth of Nation initiated modern economics! Why cannot we have an open and strong economy ? The most Muslim populated countries have been former colonies and consequently have the bad habits of people in bondage, lack of faith, discipline and integrity. In there is constant altercation about interest but the people and politician have no qualms about loan defaults by intent and not even pay the principal. The term economics comes from the Greek for oikos (house) and nomos (custom or law), hence "rules of the house(hold)." . The places are in dire need of house cleaning before one can have the real functioning economy or rather any thing worthwhile! I think with AKP rule Turkey's economy is doing pretty good!. We should discuss these topics first before why USA invade Iraq because we lose and are lost in economical issues for last century? If Palestean or any other muslim country who suffers would have the same economy with Israel, Would they suffer so much ? We should be councious I think, brothers and sisters... You need to rephrase the last para about Iraq/Us/Israel/ Palestine etc- it is not clear! Regards deepblue Edited by Sign*Reader - 28 April 2008 at 11:40pm
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nu001 Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 252	Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:44pm
	For Deep Blue, Because, the Islamic countries have embraced 'Capitalistic' economy after about 400 years of western countries, whom you are comparing. If you are comparing with the ex socialist countries, they are ahead of most of them.
	"Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah"
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deepblue Senior Member Joined: 14 June 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 166	Posted: 29 April 2008 at 11:35am
	Salam Alaikum Does anyone else know the reason why none of the muslim countries do not have a strong economy ? walaikum assallam I would say Malaysia is the exception! Really, I went to Malaysia... I saw a part of it thats why i am not sure but I dont think that there is a strong economy in Malaysia if you mean trade yes trade can make a country rich but cannot make a real economy... in order to have a strong economy you should produce you should have factories in each sector... who produce will have a word in word politics... They observed the humiliation of their British colonial masters by another colonial power the Japanese during WWII. They had an awakening to learn the requirement of being a free nation united in faith and discipline with an independent thinking national leadership who were not going to act as brown sahibs! They learned the rules of value added industry requiring high levels of technical education and rule of law! Most of them rich but they dont manage this richness why ? You must be thinking the oil producing countries! It is called easy come easy go! Yes it is true You are right! Their richness is almost like the Nawabs and Maharajas in colonial India. The Jewish operators under the guise of American diplomatic cover roam at will in the holy land! Take the case of Pakistan a so called Islamic nation the day it was declared the American base started it’s establishment in the north west. Right now the country’s main politicos are on American payroll or they are stealing from that country and stashing in the US! The people are totally helpless! Who establish the first economy? According to Quran if I say it was Prophet Yusuf I won't be too far off think! Really, I did not know that. Now I learned thank you ! What kind of economy did Yusuf implement ? Then Adam Smith is generally after his Wealth of Nation initiated modern economics! I know Adam Smith but who first practice it as a country as a nation ? Why cannot we have an open and strong economy ? The most Muslim populated countries have been former colonies and consequently have the bad habits of people in bondage, lack of faith, discipline and integrity. In there is constant altercation about interest but the people and politician have no qualms about loan defaults by intent and not even pay the principal. Turkey has never been a colony but still It has problems with its economy... I think it is related with politics The term economics comes from the Greek for oikos (house) and nomos (custom or law), hence "rules of the house(hold)." . The places are in dire need of house cleaning before one can have the real functioning economy or rather any thing worthwhile! I think with AKP rule Turkey's economy is doing pretty good!. No I dont think so... Can you tell me one thing that They have done for Turkish Economy so far despite of that great power they took! It is related with mentality. We should discuss these topics first before why USA invade Iraq because we lose and are lost in economical issues for last century? If Palestean or any other muslim country who suffers would have the same economy with Israel, Would they suffer so much ? We should be councious I think, brothers and sisters... You need to rephrase the last para about Iraq/Us/Israel/ Palestine etc- it is not clear! Ok. I meant who has a strong economy who produces has a word in world politics and who does not have economy unfortunately does not have a word too in world politics and suffer! deepblue
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deepblue Senior Member Joined: 14 June 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 166	Posted: 29 April 2008 at 11:39am
	*Originally posted by nu001* For Deep Blue, Because, the Islamic countries have embraced 'Capitalistic' economy after about 400 years of western countries, whom you are comparing. If you are comparing with the ex socialist countries, they are ahead of most of them. I dont think so, most of the muslim countries like Asian countries are socialist. They could not establish a Capitalistic economy...
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nu001 Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 252	Posted: 29 April 2008 at 12:18pm
	*Originally posted by deepblue* *Originally posted by nu001* For Deep Blue, Because, the Islamic countries have embraced 'Capitalistic' economy after about 400 years of western countries, whom you are comparing. If you are comparing with the ex socialist countries, they are ahead of most of them. I dont think so, most of the muslim countries like Asian countries are socialist. They could not establish a Capitalistic economy... Your view is too simplistic, you mean anyone not socialist is capitalist economy. ME hosts the largest number of Muslim countries and they definitely didn't have a truely capilalistic economy. Almost like the Socialists, their investments were also mostly in the hand of the state. what do you think they were doing that the socialists were not doing, except the religious factor? You cant take the example of Mal & Indo and call that all Islamic countries. I think except Pakistan and Afghanistan there is no Islamic country in Asia (Less ME). Rest all are secular democracies.
	"Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah"
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Whisper Male Other Senior Member Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4752	Posted: 30 April 2008 at 11:21pm
	In one breath you are talking of aunt Eekanomi and in the same breath you refuse to accept Eekanomi with Uncle Industria! Primarily, sir, aunt Eekananomi doesn't lay eggs in a place which does not have grandfather Justice there. Rizq grows only in a healthy society. Plus, rizq is not just the number of factories a country has, what about the National contentment factor?
	Sasha Khanzadeh
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Syed Nasruallah Male Islam Starter Joined: 03 July 2008 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 16	Posted: 06 July 2008 at 4:05am
	the muslim countries were ecnomicaly back, because they use their money & mind only in fightning with each other, but not to get united & work for one misison of Prophet Mohammad SAWW. they need to have a stratgic view over it and work for & onbehalf of imparting education to their children & to work hard for their economic reconstruction. thanks wa salam alykum wa rahmatu allah wa barakata hu
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