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Quote truthnowcome Replybullet Posted: 28 April 2008 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by believer

 
WAHUWAH, which simply means He is the One-  Are there verses in the Quran with this phrase?
 
Oh yes!!!
 

It is good that you come to your sense and recognized the true meaning of the word WHWH = WAHUWAH = He is the One – only that you left out the most important word “Elohim”

Let me translate for you: “WA” means “and”

“HUWA” means “He is” Or “He is Whom He is”

and not “He is the one”

 

Now let’s go back to the original word back to Genesis. It read:

 

Genesis 2:4  This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

 

YHWH = YAHUWAH

YA = OH

HUWA = “He is” or “He is whom He is”

 

YHWH = LORD = “OH He is” or “OH He is whom He is”

and God = ELOHIM

So “LORD God” = “Oh He is Elohim” or “Oh He is Whom He is Elohim”

 

This is what the Quran says:

Qul huwa Allahu ahadun      قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ (112:1)

112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!

= Here O Israel! Oh He Whom He is our Elohim, Oh He Whom he is one.

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112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

Qul huwa Allahu ahadun

 
 
112:2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

Allahu alssamadu

 
112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

Lam yalid walam yooladu

112:4 And there is none like unto Him.

Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahadun

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Quote Shasta'sAunt Replybullet Posted: 28 April 2008 at 4:12pm
"WAHUWAH, which simply means He is the One-  Are there verses in the Quran with this phrase?"
 
And yet He is three....
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Quote Shasta'sAunt Replybullet Posted: 28 April 2008 at 4:22pm
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YHWH is faithful to his word, which is unchanging, and he does not lie. (Numbers 23:19) Although God can and often does make conditional promises – including covenants – his inherent faithfulness is not dependent upon human faithfulness, but reflects his utter holiness. (Hebrews 6:17–19; Malachi 3:6)

Allah acts as he pleases and is the ‘best of schemers' (Q3:54); he can, without impugning his perfection, abrogate something he has said earlier and replace it with a contradictory word. (Q16:100–104) He is not obligated to follow his covenants, nor does he obligate himself to people in any way. (Q17:85–89)

 

In the Bible GOD always keeps His promises.  In the Quran Allah allows himself and men to break there oaths.
 
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WAHUWAH, which simply means He is the One-  Are there verses in the Quran with this phrase?
 
 
Although the verses in the Quran do not state what the chart states, and I posted the verses for you to read, I will say that given the fact that supposedly ALL of God's Laws were negated by Jesus and Saul I find this comparison a bit odd.
 
Believer, please show me from the Quran where Allah allows Himself to break an oath?
 
 
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Quote Rukkaiyah Replybullet Posted: 30 April 2008 at 7:54am
Can I ask which web sites you gathered this information? The chapter's and verses, don't match the one's on the holy Quran(!)
 
Chapter 91, Verse 5-9
 

5. Andby the heaven and its Maker.

6. Andby the earth and its Expansionist .

7. Andby the soul and Him who perfected it

8. Theninspired its and it piety;

9. Undoubtedlyhe attained to his goal who cleansed it.

 
Which clearly don't match the context of the initial post. Please could you expand or clarify?
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 30 April 2008 at 5:56pm
3 what Shasta?- manifestatons- yes.
 
NO Jesus did not negate the Law, He fufilled them

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YUSUFALI: Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.
PICKTHAL: Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths. But He will take you to task for that which your hearts have garnered. Allah is Forgiving, Clement.
SHAKIR: Allah does not call you to account for what is vain in your oaths, but He will call you to account for what your hearts have earned, and Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing.

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YUSUFALI: If it were Our Will, We could take away that which We have sent thee by inspiration:then wouldst thou find none to plead thy affair in that matter as against Us,-
PICKTHAL: And if We willed We could withdraw that which We have revealed unto thee, then wouldst thou find no guardian for thee against Us in respect thereof.
SHAKIR: And if We please, We should certainly take away that which We have revealed to you, then you would not find for it any protector against Us.
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Quote Shasta'sAunt Replybullet Posted: 30 April 2008 at 8:06pm
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3 what Shasta?- manifestatons- yes.
 
NO Jesus did not negate the Law, He fufilled them

Ephesians 2

 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Hebrews 7
 
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)

 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Deuteronomy 14
 
 
 3 Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.

  7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.

 8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

 10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

 12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

 13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,

 14 And every raven after his kind,   etc.....

 
Leviticus 3
 
17 It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.
 
 
Then we have:
 
Timothy 4
 
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Colossians 2
 
 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

 22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Exodus 20
 

 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exodus 31
 
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

 17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Colossians 2
 
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Mark 2
 
23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.

 24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?

 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Genesis 17
 
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

 14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Galatians 6
 
 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
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Quote Shasta'sAunt Replybullet Posted: 30 April 2008 at 8:13pm
It seems that many of God's perpetual covenants were in fact negated by Jesus or Saul.
 
This brings up a few questions. Isn't a perpetual covenent perpetual?
 
per·pet·u·al 
Pronunciation:
\pər-ˈpe-chə-wəl, -chəl; -ˈpech-wəl\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English perpetuel, from Anglo-French, from Latin perpetuus uninterrupted, from per- through + petere to go to — more at feather
Date:
14th century
1 a: continuing forever : everlasting <perpetual motion> b     (1): valid for all time <a perpetual right> (2): holding (as an office) for life or for an unlimited time2: occurring continually : indefinitely long-continued <perpetual problems>3: blooming continuously throughout the season
 
If so, what happened here?
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Quote Doo-bop Replybullet Posted: 07 May 2008 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by Rukkaiyah

Can I ask which web sites you gathered this information? The chapter's and verses, don't match the one's on the holy Quran(!)
 
Chapter 91, Verse 5-9
 

5. Andby the heaven and its Maker.

6. Andby the earth and its Expansionist .

7. Andby the soul and Him who perfected it

8. Theninspired its and it piety;

9. Undoubtedlyhe attained to his goal who cleansed it.

 
Which clearly don't match the context of the initial post. Please could you expand or clarify?
 
You are right, aspects of the table given are very faulty and incomplete.  I have pointed this out at the website concerned.  I cannot give the website, as it would go against forum rules
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