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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2008 at 6:51pm
LOL!!  honeto -Do you believe satan/evil is more powerfuol then GOD?

Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods, including sun, moon and the stars,  Arabs built temples to the Moon-god.  Different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.

 “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god,  “Allah” = “al-ilah. He was worshipped at the Kabah, which was the house of the Moon-god”.

I just think YHWH would want to make sure that the Arabs knew the difference between the One True GOD and the padan god.  Especially too since the ritual was so similar to the ones of the pagans walking around the kabah.

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Quote Servetus Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2008 at 8:39pm

According to Sir James George Frazer (The Golden Bough):

“…Nowhere was this crude conception of the secrecy and magical virtue of the divine name more firmly held or more fully developed than in ancient Egypt [whence emigrated Moses] …  For it was believed that he who possessed the true name possessed the very being of god or man, and could force even a deity to obey him as a slave obeys his master. Thus the art of the magician consisted in obtaining from the gods a revelation of their sacred names …”

            Ref:  http://www.bartleby.com/196/59.html

From the Jewish Encyclopedia:

“The pronunciation of the written Name [of God] was used only by the priests in the Temple when blessing the people (Num. vi. 22-27); outside the Temple they used the title “Adonai” … The high priest mentioned the Name on Yom Kippur ten times … the sages delivered to their disciples the key to the Name once in every Sabbatical year … The restriction upon communicating the Name proper probably originated in Oriental [read Egyptian] etiquette .…”  (bold emphasis added)

            Ref:  http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=52&letter=N

Finally, Josephus writes this of the Essenes of his day:

“The Essenes observed strict religious orders. They functioned as scribes and prophets, studying and preserving the Scriptures, the books of their sect, and the names of angels. Their work of healing involved ascribing properties to stones and roots for protection. And they were expert at foreseeing future events.”  (bold emphasis added)

Ref:  http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=3975

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Quote BMZ Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2008 at 6:20am
Originally posted by Servetus

To address the first point.

 

YHWH is God's name ‘forever'. (Exodus 3:13–15)

 
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And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH [YHWH] was I not known to them. (Exodus 6:3)

 

A question thus arises.  If and only if Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did not know the tetragramaton [YHWH], then why should Ishmael and Muhammad?

 

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Glad to be back, Serv and I rejoiced reading the answer. LOL
 
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Quote BMZ Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2008 at 6:29am
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I keep hearing that arabic Christians  use the word Allah for GOD.  I wonder when GOD is called by HIS personal name YWHW what do the arabic Christians say?  Do they pronounce it like we do, Yahweh?
 
Actually though Islam has GOD having 99 names.
 
I have honestly not heard any of my Christian friends calling Jesus, YHWH. Is it because they are scared to call Gawd's name?
 
For Christian Arabs, Allah is the peronal name of Gawd. The Bible in Arabic also does not mention YHWH but replaces it with Allah. LOL
 
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Quote Doo-bop Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2008 at 6:49am
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"The Bible in Arabic also does not mention YHWH but replaces it with Allah. LOL"
 
So, according to the Arabic bible, "Allah" is a name.  Do you go along with that?
 
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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2008 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by Doo-bop

BMZ wrote:-
 
"The Bible in Arabic also does not mention YHWH but replaces it with Allah. LOL"
 
So, according to the Arabic bible, "Allah" is a name.  Do you go along with that?
 
 
If "God" is a name then yes!
Otherwise no, as my wife (a Muslim) calls God Dios, or Senior del Mundos (her mother tongue is Spanish).
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Edited by honeto - 25 April 2008 at 6:17pm
39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2008 at 7:06pm
YHWH in english is Jehovah
 
InterestingThe Bible in Arabic also does not mention YHWH but replaces it with Allah
 
Exodus 3
 
13 Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?"

 14 God said to Moses, "I am who I am .  This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' "

 15 God also said to Moses, "Say to the Israelites, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, the name by which I am to be remembered from generation to generation.

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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2008 at 7:31pm
I just found a website very interesting. 
 
Claims GOD's name is just EHYEH, translating it to I am is wrong, as is using YHWH and Jehovah. 
 
On one of these threads someone mentioned the equivalent of EHYEH in arabic, I AM.  Is ther something like that in the Quran EHYEH- would it be just HYH?


Edited by believer - 25 April 2008 at 7:37pm
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