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Quote seekshidayath Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2008 at 12:50am

You  know  "Believer", the wonders of Quran and how we get touched by it.

Even when we don't understand arabic, tears flow while listening to its recitation. Just imagine what would be our situation when we reflect over a verse.

Its style softens even hard-hearts.

Whoever studies Quran cannot remain unreflected.

All these happens only when we seek for guidance from it.

It enlightens even those who wished to attack over it. They cud not stay unreflected by it

Every verse is so deep that more we read it, the more we get enlightened. Quran is unique in almost every respect , in its Divine  Origin, its style and methodology , its chronological descent , and its approach to the problems  of man and society. It does not relate to just one class of society or just subject but pleases all of us. Any person when recites and studies it, feels as if it is addressing only to him. It answers all of our questions, it soothes us when depressed, it cures us, it infact applies to all our phases of life. Any preconceived notions and prejuidices will cause the spirit of Quran  to elude the reader. A single reading may be enough for a superficial acquaintance but to grasp its real sense it will have to gone again and again. It is the uniqueness of Quran that even when we read a verse "n" number of times, still we feel refreshed and experience novelties in it. That is the speciality of the Quran  that today  even when it is unchanged since 1400 years, still , it remains new to us.

I remember reading its somewhere that  when the Bible discusses ancient history, it states that this king lived here, this one fought in a certain battle, another one had so may sons, etc. Yet it always stipulates that if you want more information, then you should read the book of so and so because that is where the information came from. In contrast to this concept, the Qur'an provides the reader with information and states that this information is something new. Of course, there always exists the advice to research the information provided and verify its authenticity. One may not specialise in all the subjects. I may go to a geologist  to understand a verse which concerns of geology. Allah swt says in the Quran to ask those who know , when we do not know. So do we head towards commentaries as that studies are accumulated. And the more we read it, the more we get enlightened.  We do pray Allah swt, to give us its understanding and help us in implementing in our lives.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Quote Truth_light24 Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2008 at 1:22am

Believer, you can not compare Quran and Bible because they are poles apart.  Quran is the authentic words of Allah which is perfect and flawless, while the Bible contains the words of a third party, mostly historians, and it is full of contradictions from the Old Testament down to New Testament.

The tafseer of the Quran are not being relied to personal opinion or what you call “divine inspiration” by praying that the Holy Spirit will enlighten you (only during the time you are reading the passages of the bible). Muslim doesn’t rely on the so called divine inspiration for who knows that inspiration might come from Satan and cloth with Satan’s inspiring words. If we do such, each and everyone would have their own inspirations and you know well the outcome…CHAOTIC!

As I said before, the Quran are being explained by the Quran itself and some explanations can be found in the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh). Muslim is always praying for guidance every time we make an audience with Allah (in our prayers) and we do that 5 times a day and not just during the time that we read the Quran.

The Christianity believe that the living word of God is Jesus (pbuh) as what John the evangelist said which is difficult and mystical on the surface and is much more plain-spoken than we realize.

John is saying that Jesus is the words of the Bible come to life as an ordinary human being, so that people might see the Bible lived out in ordinary daily living, and so that everyone can experience the Bible in everyday terms. John 1:10-18

Jesus is the one that was sent by Allah to deliver Allah’s Messages (commands) to mankind through HIS revelations that can be found in the ORIGINAL Gospel of Jesus, to guide mankind on how to meet the pleasure of Allah in their daily affairs. This means that Jesus is just His Messenger and not the son of god. Allah spoke through Jesus His Messenger and not His son for Allah is not human and Jesus (pbuh) is the son of Mary, a human being like us.

Islam is not just a religion as most people believe it to be, but it is a complete way of life. Islam is very logic and do not entertain superstitious belief, do not accept reasoning that comes from a mere figment of imagination--> a DELUSION. Islam is the true way of life, a path that is acceptable to Allah, the Creator of all that exists…amen.

And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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Quote Truth_light24 Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2008 at 4:27am

Mashallah  Seekhidayath…Clap

When you read the Quran, you feel like Allah is talking to you and indeed He is directly talking to you..Sobhanallah!!

And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2008 at 7:07pm
Allowing is different then causing.  One involves freewill and the other is just evil.  Maybe it is a language thing.  
 
This is nonsensical. First off you must define the Arabic word for "increase" before we get into this entire problem in the first place. unfortunately, Arabic is not english where certain words have one definition. I made the mistake of not clarifying this earlier. Perhaps someone with some knowledge of Arabic can examine this verse and translate it correctly.
 
 
 
 
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2008 at 7:39pm

Israfil - If it said Allah allows the increase then it would be free will.  Don't you believe it is the translation that is poor?

Yes, they are poles apart- why"  Both are the Word of GOD, Holy Scripture.   Following in the steps of Jesus is a true way of live - unconditional love, peace, serving fellow humans and God.
 
Truth Light -   There are many that say the Quran has just as many mistakes and contradictions.  Why would the Quran lie about the Torah and Gospel being intact and Allah keeping the Scriptures true?
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Quote Truth_light24 Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2008 at 6:22am

Believer said:

Truth Light -   There are many that say the Quran has just as many mistakes and contradictions.  Why would the Quran lie about the Torah and Gospel being intact and Allah keeping the Scriptures true?

 

 

Believer, you really love to entertain hearsay and gossip. Try to do research and know it by yourself. You may find the truth with the Help from the True Rubb of all that exists. Read the Quran and look for the contradictions and show it here. The Quran didn’t lie about the Torah and the Gospel but in fact the Quran narrated the lie being done to those two books revealed to Prophets Moses and Prophet Jesus (pbut).

The original Torah and Gospel are the literal Word of Allah revealed to His Prophets Moses and Jesus (peut), whereas the book of Bible is merely narratives or stories in the third person. The sayings and deeds of the Prophets were written by historians and not the Prophets themselves. For an example is the book of Deuteronomy is one of the book attributed to Prophet Moses (pubh). If this book was written by the Prophet (Moses pbuh) or even written by him, how could it mention his death?

“And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had. He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Pear, but to this day no-one knows where his grave is. Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died..”(Deuteronomy 35:5-7)

The gospel revealed to Prophet Jesus(pbuh) was lost and many gospels were written. The church chooses four gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) and destroyed and banned the rest. Although these gospels include some fragments of the original Gospel, it is very clear that none of them is the gospel of Prophet Jasus (pbuh) because all the four gospels contains many contradictions and errors while the Gospel of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) which is the Word of Allah was free from contradictions and errors. These gospels are different accounts or reports of the life of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) written by men. They mentioned his birth, his alleged crucifixion and death, etc., which cannot be mentioned in the gospel revealed to Prophet Jesus (pbuh) during his mission. Same thing happen with that of prophet Moses.

There are so many contradictions that can be found in the Bible itself and one among others is your own “tag” …

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

 

Jesus never claimed to be the son of god instead he repeatedly called himself the son of man (e.g. 9:22) innumerable times.

Is Jesus God or son of God or even did he crucified?

John 20:17, Jesus told Mary Magdalene to tell his followers: "I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to my God and your God.

And Jesus denied that he is neither God nor even the son of god but he claimed to be the Messenger of Allah, the one that He sent to mankind:

Mathew 7:21 none of those call me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of God but the one who does the will of the father who send me."



Edited by Truth_light24 - 24 April 2008 at 6:31am
And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 27 April 2008 at 5:32am
Are you saying that the Quran confirmed the wrong Torah and Gospel?
 
The Bible is the collection of the Torah and Gospel into one Holy Book.
 
You said -"Quran narrated the lie being done to those two books revealed to Prophets Moses and Prophet Jesus (pbut)".- I know the verse about the crucifixion, not sure the verse about the Torah.  The truth of the crucifixion is in the very Gospel that the Quran confirms.
 
If you read and studied the Bible with an open heart you would learn the truth of the message.  Simply a footnote by another-  See the part I made bold, was it Joshua?
 

Deuteronomy 34

The Death of Moses
 1 Then Moses climbed Mount Nebo from the plains of Moab to the top of Pisgah, across from Jericho. There the LORD showed him the whole land—from Gilead to Dan, 2 all of Naphtali, the territory of Ephraim and Manasseh, all the land of Judah as far as the western sea,  3 the Negev and the whole region from the Valley of Jericho, the City of Palms, as far as Zoar. 4 Then the LORD said to him, "This is the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, 'I will give it to your descendants.' I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross over into it."

 5 And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. 6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. 7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. 8 The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.

 9 Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the LORD had commanded Moses.

 10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, 11 who did all those miraculous signs and wonders the LORD sent him to do in Egypt—to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land. 12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel.

Not sure of some of your points - The Quran wasn't written by Mohammad!!
 
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 27 April 2008 at 5:37am
LOL!!  The "banned books" were not burned or destroyed [the way Uthmann burned variations of the Quran] by the church leaders.  All are available for people to read.  Go to any public library to get a copy.
 
 


Edited by believer - 27 April 2008 at 5:37am
John 3
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