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Quote believer Replybullet Topic: Why would Allah do this?
    Posted: 18 April 2008 at 4:58am
 
Doesn't he dislike hypocrites?
 
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YUSUFALI: In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
PICKTHAL: In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.
SHAKIR: There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they
 
YHWH is holy how does a HOLY GOD do bad?  Wouldn't this be a sin if a human caused another to be a hypcrite? 
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2008 at 10:23am
Why does YHVH allow priest to molest little boys when nobody is around? Sych rdiculous and redundant questions cannot be answered by people and clergy.
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2008 at 3:31pm
Irsafil  - in your sentence is the differance  you said "why does YWHW allow", the Quran says that Allah increases the disease of their hearts.
 
See the difference?
 
Why would Allah do this?
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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2008 at 4:40pm
believer, your question and Israfil's is the same, there is no difference but the name of God.
 
Why would Allah do this? yes well that is religion at times ;) confusing eh??
 
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Quote seekshidayath Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2008 at 12:11am

 I would like to use this oppurtunity to share with our members intrested in studying Islam. The verse quoted above in the post, is of Chapter Al-Baqarah, in which , Allah at first tells us that this Book i.e The Holy Quran is a source of  guidance for only the pious and righteous persons . Then the attributes of Believers are expalined that they believe in Oneness of Allah, believe in the unseen, Perform  salah, and spend out of which Allah bestowed them with. Four Ayat at the beginning of Surat Al-Baqarah describe the believers, two describe the disbelievers, and thirteen describe the hypocrites. The four Ayat mentioned in this statement are general and include every believer, whether an Arab, non-Arab, or a person of a previous Scripture, whether they are Jinns or humans. All of these attributes complement each other and require the existence of the other attributes. For instance, it is not possible that one believes in the Unseen, performs the prayer and gives Zakah without believing in what the Messenger of Allah and the previous Messengers were sent with. And then the disbelievers are described. Now, comes those 13 verses related to hypocrisy, one of which is that quoted above. Let us learn it in detail.

 Allah begins to describe the hypocrites who show belief and hide disbelief. Since the matter of the hypocrites is vague and many people do not realize their true reality, Allah mentioned their description in detail. Each of the characteristics that Allah used to described them with is a type of hypocrisy itself.

8. And of mankind, there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day'' while in fact they do not believe
9. They try to deceive Allah and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves, and perceive (it) not!

i.e the hypocrites show belief outwardly while concealing disbelief. They think that by doing this, they will mislead Allah, or that the statements they utter will help them with Allah, and this is an indication of their total ignorance. They think that such behavior will deceive Allah, just as it might deceive some of the believers. Allah says in an other chapter , " Verily, the hypocrites try to deceive Allah, but it is He Who deceives them".

Then comes the verse 10, ". In their hearts is a disease and Allah has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies" - Disease' here refers to the disease of hypocrisy, the doubt that they bought to  Islam. The statement that 'Allah has intensified this disease' means that He does not punish the hypocrites immediately but allows them to indulge in their hypocrisy and exult in the success of their ruses. This feeling of success intensifies their hypocrisy,  thus  increased them in shameful behavior.. Hope it is now understood. The next two verses describe them further. Let us read them as a reminder


11. And when it is said to them: "Do not make mischief on the earth,'' they say: "We are only peacemakers.'
12. Verily, they are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not

Ibn Jarir said, "The hypocrites commit mischief on earth by disobeying their Lord on it and continuing in the prohibited acts. They also abandon what Allah made obligatory and doubt His religion, even though He does not accept a deed from anyone except with faith in His religion and certainty of its truth. The hypocrites also lie to the believers by saying contrary to the doubt and hesitation their hearts harbor. They give as much aid as they can, against Allah's loyal friends, and support those who deny Allah, His Books and His Messengers. This is how the hypocrites commit mischief on earth, while thinking that they are doing righteous work on earth.''

Since the outward appearance of the hypocrite displays belief, he confuses the true believers. Hence, the deceitful behavior of the hypocrites is an act of mischief, because they deceive the believers by claiming what they do not believe in, and because they give support and loyalty to the disbelievers against the believers.

Thank you "Believer" for your question. Alhamdullilah { All Praises be to Allah } we cud learn a lot today.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Quote seekshidayath Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2008 at 12:13am

And yes, the above commentary was from Ibn Katheer and Maulana Madudi's Tafseer.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Quote Hayfa Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2008 at 6:37am
Excellent Seekshidayath Approve
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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2008 at 9:28am
Although its an excellent point brought up by Seek, I believe believer, needed more of an explanation than a long drawn out post. Believer-
you have basically confirmed my point although you don't know it yet you are making an attempt show the direct violation of freewill in Islam by using the statement Allah increases....and so. In either case upon face value we see a direct violation of freewill. On the one hand God allows someone to sin (knowing they will be damned) or allows someone to do a horrible crime (knowing the horrible outcome) but chooses to not violate his own law by interjecting and stoping the person directly. On the other side you have Allah increasing someone sin so to speak. However For the latter I believe there is a misunderstanding on your part. From my understanding from that verse, Allah does not will someone to sin but allows them to sin freely. As they sin Allah allows the increase of their sin and because they are blinded by their own willful ignorance God does not show them a "light."
 
An atheistic moralist would say, "if God is all-good and all-loving why would he allow someone to sin only to be damned?" Would be problematic in essence. This whole thread is synonymous with the question  of determinism.
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