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bullet Posted: 22 April 2008 at 10:47am
no honeto- this is just an example of a covenant.  My question is about convenants written in the Quran.  Which verses talk about covenants?
 
 
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bullet Posted: 22 April 2008 at 3:17pm
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no honeto- this is just an example of a covenant.  My question is about convenants written in the Quran.  Which verses talk about covenants?
 
 
 
beleiver,
with all respect, I see that the topic you started does not have anything to do what you are asking now. It says: " Ismael and Isaac". You did not posed any question, instead a page of quotes. Now after pages of discussion you say you want to know about covenants in the Quran.
I will suggest you start a new topic on that and ask your question there.
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bullet Posted: 22 April 2008 at 4:26pm
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  My question is about convenants written in the Quran.  Which verses talk about covenants?
 
 


OK Mr. let me add couple of more cents here!
 B4 I show you the real covenants from quraan see what is defined as covenant cuz this is extremely legal issue you have started the thread on!
cov·e·nant
–noun
1.an agreement, usually formal, between two or more persons to do or not do something specified.
2.Law. an incidental clause in such an agreement.
3.Ecclesiastical. a solemn agreement between the members of a church to act together in harmony with the precepts of the gospel.
4.(initial capital letter) History/Historical.
a.National Covenant.
b.Solemn League and Covenant.
5.Bible.
a.the conditional promises made to humanity by God, as revealed in Scripture.
b.the agreement between God and the ancient Israelites, in which God promised to protect them if they kept His law and were faithful to Him.
6.Law.
a.a formal agreement of legal validity, esp. one under seal.
b.an early English form of action in suits involving sealed contracts.
 As you may note when you talk about covenant it is not one way but it is conditional clause. So when the Israelites didn't keep their side of the agreement  whatever  Allah had  promised and provided previously was no more valid! Now they were on to their own devices and they were plenty once they broke the covenant there was no going back. Creating  Jesus without a Jewish father was a final nail in wreckage of the covenant's coffin cuz there was none worthy and then it was also the seal of the of cancellation of the charter of prophet hood after Jesus in Isaac's line!

Just like I quit my business and told the Secretary of State who canceled my certificate to conduct any of future transactions or if I do any I will be subject to indictment.
So son of Mary was the last call before the cancellation of the that certification and  agreement.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
Is  that clear? you being a Christian couldn't argue on this point!
If their covenant is still valid your religion becomes invalid cuz  The Jews don't accept Jesus in any shape or form...........
So now the Jews without a covenant go into diaspora and to their schemes to control their surroundings through people psychology and money lending and everything in between!
Allah  had a parallel  covenant with Ishmael as a back up  cuz Allah knew how far the Israelites will hold their side of the covenants.
The covenants were related to the holding the laws and limits of righteous conduct whereas the Jews went the opposite direction and broke each and every law that was sacrosanct and convinced others to do the same cuz there is more money in breaking the laws than not!
They are leaders in gambling, porn and money manipulations industries worldwide.
And they are still waiting for their MessiahWink That should should tell you some thing

Now here are the sample covenants for Ishmael in Quraan and quite a few others you can read on your own if you can't find then come back will be more than glad to share some!
Al-Baqara (The Cow)

2:125 Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).

Al-Hadid (Iron)
57:8 What cause have ye why ye should not believe in Allah.- and the Messenger invites you to believe in your Lord, and has indeed taken your covenant, if ye are men of Faith.
Finally the Jews are running all over the world for material gains while the Ishmaelites have had times of their lives since then if you know what I mean.

Since the Holy Prophet's time it even got grander!
hope I don't need to go into the history lecture!
Yes the Muslims/Ishmaelite got fat dumb and happy and paid the price and still  paying some but the Quraan is still there and the covenant is still intact and the doors to repentance are wide open!



Edited by Sign*Reader - 22 April 2008 at 5:02pm
Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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bullet Posted: 24 April 2008 at 4:47am

Whew!  Thank you for the verse-

002.125
YUSUFALI: Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
PICKTHAL: And when We made the House (at Makka) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying): Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We imposed a duty upon Abraham and Ishmael, (saying): Purify My house for those who go around and those who meditate therein and those who bow down and prostrate themselves (in worship).
SHAKIR: And when We made the House a pilgrimage for men and a (place of) security, and: Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim. And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying: Purify My House for those who visit (it) and those who abide (in it) for devotion and those who bow down (and) those who prostrate themselves.
 
057.008
YUSUFALI: What cause have ye why ye should not believe in Allah?- and the Messenger invites you to believe in your Lord, and has indeed taken your Covenant, if ye are men of Faith.
PICKTHAL: What aileth you that ye believe not in Allah, when the messenger calleth you to believe in your Lord, and He hath already made a covenant with you, if ye are believers?
SHAKIR: And what reason have you that you should not believe in Allah? And the Messenger calls on you that you may believe in your Lord, and indeed He has made a covenant with you if you are believers.
 
OK, GOD made a covenant with Israelites, some followed the covenant some did not- so along comes another new covenant with Israelites and Gentiles - some follow some do not-so along comes another covenant [or does it go back ti the original with Abraham] to include Muslimis?
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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bullet Posted: 24 April 2008 at 10:29am
 
02:125, YUSUFALI: Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
 
Believer, this verse is about Abraham and Ishmael when they had built a house of worship in Arabia (Now Makkah). That was before the birth of Issac. Allah told them to sanctify the house (Ka'abah) for those who vist it and go around it and use it as a place of worship of the One God... Please see that the place is still there. It is the oldest house of worship in the world.
 
 It was built for the worship of One God only. But later the people (children of Ishmael) became polytheists. Even as polytheists they observed various rituals and observed the place as sacred place.
They remained so for many centuries, until Muhammad came with message from Allah.
If any one is bad some one must suffer
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bullet Posted: 25 April 2008 at 11:02am
Originally posted by believer

Whew!  Thank you for the verse-

002.125
YUSUFALI: Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
PICKTHAL: And when We made the House (at Makka) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying): Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We imposed a duty upon Abraham and Ishmael, (saying): Purify My house for those who go around and those who meditate therein and those who bow down and prostrate themselves (in worship).
SHAKIR: And when We made the House a pilgrimage for men and a (place of) security, and: Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim. And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying: Purify My House for those who visit (it) and those who abide (in it) for devotion and those who bow down (and) those who prostrate themselves.
 
057.008
YUSUFALI: What cause have ye why ye should not believe in Allah?- and the Messenger invites you to believe in your Lord, and has indeed taken your Covenant, if ye are men of Faith.
PICKTHAL: What aileth you that ye believe not in Allah, when the messenger calleth you to believe in your Lord, and He hath already made a covenant with you, if ye are believers?
SHAKIR: And what reason have you that you should not believe in Allah? And the Messenger calls on you that you may believe in your Lord, and indeed He has made a covenant with you if you are believers.
 
OK, GOD made a covenant with Israelites, some followed the covenant some did not- so along comes another new covenant with Israelites and Gentiles - some follow some do not-so along comes another covenant [or does it go back ti the original with Abraham] to include Muslimis?

Covenant with gentilesLOL now that is called strechingWink
No covenant with gentiles- how could it be with gentiles?
Then the gay priests with AIDS will ask for one and so will the pedophile priests will do the same!
Is this a joke or what?

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bullet Posted: 26 April 2008 at 3:30pm
Romans 11
Ingrafted Branches
 11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!

 13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

 17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

 22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

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bullet Posted: 28 April 2008 at 4:51pm
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Romans 11
Ingrafted Branches
 11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!

 13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

 17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

 22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

 

Romans 11

The Remnant of Israel
 1I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3"Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me"[a]? 4And what was God's answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal."[b] 5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.[c]

 7What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, 8as it is written:
   "God gave them a spirit of stupor,
      eyes so that they could not see
      and ears so that they could not hear,
   to this very day."[d] 9And David says:
   "May their table become a snare and a trap,
      a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
 10May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
      and their backs be bent forever."[e]

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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