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Quote Moses Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2009 at 9:48am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

I wish I could make it a bit clear, but if you really think about me as I am getting trapped in my own muddles/riddles  in dogma, please see the Bible yourself, may be you find that better.(Genesis chapter 15, 16 and 17)

I do not think that the Bible could be compared with The Quran.

Allah or God is Al-Khaliq - The Creator of the whole universe.

Allah is Al-Hayy = The Eternal - The Living.

Ar-Rahman - Most Gracious

Ar-Raheem - Most Merciful

He is nothing like His Creations. The Greatest, The Highest, The Most Knowledgeable, The Just, and many many more attributes of God AlMighty which contradicts the idea or dogma of Christianity.

GOD IS ONE, THE RELIGION OF HIS CHOICE IS ONE, THE HOLY SCRIPTURE SENT BY HIM IS ONE - unlike the Bible where you have so many many versions.


then you have only one way, drop out the first "I"!!
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Quote Akhe Abdullah Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2009 at 12:10pm
Salams Nur.You got that right,The Bible could not be compared with The Quran.You cant name one Surah in the Qur'an in which the name of Allah is not mentioned.But you can name Chapters in the Bible(Esther).You know that every Surah has a meaning and confirms a universal message.Not the Bible.Esther is considered a prophet in Judaism.

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Quote Moses Replybullet Posted: 04 October 2009 at 11:44pm
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Salams Nur.You got that right,The Bible could not be compared with The Quran.You cant name one Surah in the Qur'an in which the name of Allah is not mentioned.But you can name Chapters in the Bible(Esther).You know that every Surah has a meaning and confirms a universal message.Not the Bible.Esther is considered a prophet in Judaism.
agree, this is the best sign for everybody who can not see more than face of things. but the subject is , if you can not see more than shape of words, how you will understand Quran?!!!!
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Quote Moses Replybullet Posted: 04 October 2009 at 11:53pm

for everybody who can believe that God is almighty and does not doubt about that, for everybody who love God and love hearing about him, for everybody who needs more and more words of God, all of scriptures, all of books, all of letters in this world which they claim that they are from God, are worthy enough to be read, and think about them and pray for knowing them better , just like a lover, not like a criticizer.

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Quote Nur_Ilahi Replybullet Posted: 08 October 2009 at 5:45pm
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Msonormal><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>for everybody who can believe that God is almighty and does not doubt about that, for everybody who love God and love hearing about him, for everybody who needs more and more words of God, all of scriptures, all of books, all of letters in this world which they claim that they are from God, are worthy enough to be read, and think about them and pray for knowing them better , just like a lover, not like a criticizer. </SPAN>


The difference in your belief Moses is that you give priority to the Creations of the Creator. Not the Creator Himself. Christianity focused more on the Creation rather than The Creator.

True Love of God Almighty is Loving Him First - Habluminallah - Vertical relationship.
Second - loving other human beings especially The Prophets and all others - Habluminnaas - The Horizontal relationship.

Not the other way round like Christianity.
A true religion worship the Creator of the whole universe. A false one worship a Creation of the Creator.
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Quote Akhe Abdullah Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2009 at 10:16am
They do see this but,early this year my wife and I went to a funeral services for her granmother who was Christian.It was painfully obvious, Jesus Jesus Jesus they all shouted because the funeral service turned into miniChurch service, they love them some Jesus(As)we recognise that,(So do we Muslims) but to them he is Jesus(As) the God(AstagfiruAllah) or his son.Who loves Jesus(As)the most is those who speak the truth about him.

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Quote Moses Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2009 at 10:21am
sorry , I will not defend of my opinion, if you have somehting about Bible or Quran , I will join to you for more study about words of God.
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Quote Shibboleth Replybullet Posted: 19 October 2009 at 1:29pm

BLESSINGS OF ISHMAEL AND ISAAC ARE TRUE, BUT GOD’S COVVENANT IS ONLY WITH ISAAC AND HIS SEED!

Yes, they both will be blessed. However, God clearly revealed through which of these lines of descent the promised Seed would come, bringing blessings to all mankind.

(Genesis 17:19- 21)

19فَقَالَ اللهُ: «بَلْ سَارَةُ امْرَأَتُكَ تَلِدُ لَكَ ابْنًا وَتَدْعُو اسْمَهُ إِسْحَاقَ. وَأُقِيمُ عَهْدِي مَعَهُ عَهْدًا أَبَدِيًّا لِنَسْلِهِ مِنْ بَعْدِهِ.19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

20 وَأَمَّا إِسْمَاعِيلُ فَقَدْ سَمِعْتُ لَكَ فِيهِ. هَا أَنَا أُبَارِكُهُ وَأُثْمِرُهُ وَأُكَثِّرُهُ كَثِيرًا جِدًّا. اِثْنَيْ عَشَرَ رَئِيسًا يَلِدُ، وَأَجْعَلُهُ أُمَّةً كَبِيرَةً.20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

21 وَلكِنْ عَهْدِي أُقِيمُهُ مَعَ إِسْحَاقَ الَّذِي تَلِدُهُ لَكَ سَارَةُ فِي هذَا الْوَقْتِ فِي السَّنَةِ الآتِيَةِ».21 BUT my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Ishmael was a great nation, that’s it! No covenant, no prophets or anything else. Ishmael was NOT specifically blessed as indicated by Semar, male member. He added that to make it fit like everything else he wrote on his post which refers mostly to Jesus Christ or the Holy spirit.

One of the nations that sprang from Abraham was the nation of Israel, comprising the 12 tribes who descended from the sons of Jacob, Abraham’s grandson. It was in this nation that the promised “seed” would finally appear.—Genesis 26:1, 4; 28:10, 13-15, JP.

Prophecy later revealed that a special seed, or ruler, would come specifically through the tribe of Judah.

Genesis 49:10:

لاَ يَزُولُ قَضِيبٌ مِنْ يَهُوذَا وَمُشْتَرِعٌ مِنْ بَيْنِ رِجْلَيْهِ حَتَّى يَأْتِيَ شِيلُونُ وَلَهُ يَكُونُ خُضُوعُ شُعُوبٍ.

10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

 

The first ruler from the line of Judah, King David, was promised by God: “Your house and . . . your throne shall be established forever.” (2 Samuel 7:16) God further promised: “I will set up thy seed after thee, . . . and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build Me a house, and I will establish his throne for ever.” (1 Chronicles 17:11, 12, JP) David’s son and successor, King Solomon, did indeed build Jehovah’s house, or temple, but he obviously did not rule forever. However, one of David’s seed would be the same “Shiloh,” or Messiah, prophesied at Genesis 49:10. (JP) Above

 

Jesus said he would send his apostles the Comforter, Helper or Paraclete, the “spirit of the truth.” (A spirit not a person) Since the Greek word par·a´cle·tos is in the masculine gender, it was logical for Jesus also to use personal pronouns when referring to the holy spirit in this capacity or activity. This promised Helper came at Pentecost.—John 15:26, NW

Paraclete (Sprit of Truth) or Pariclytos (Ahmad)


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   «وَمَتَى جَاءَ الْمُعَزِّي الَّذِي سَأُرْسِلُهُ أَنَا إِلَيْكُمْ مِنَ الآبِ، رُوحُ الْحَقِّ، الَّذِي مِنْ عِنْدِ الآبِ يَنْبَثِقُ، فَهُوَ يَشْهَدُ لِي

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Romans 3:4

حَاشَا! بَلْ لِيَكُنِ اللهُ صَادِقًا وَكُلُّ إِنْسَانٍ كَاذِبًا. كَمَا هُوَ مَكْتُوبٌ: «لِكَيْ تَتَبَرَّرَ فِي كَلاَمِكَ، وَتَغْلِبَ مَتَى حُوكِمْتَ».

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,

That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

 



Edited by Shibboleth - 19 October 2009 at 1:43pm
“If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.” (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al ‘Imran: 84-85)
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Quote wisdomseeker Replybullet Posted: 22 October 2009 at 3:00am
Believer,
Why don't you answer to the reply by brother Hasan(Honeto), you are ignoring his clarifications, or is it that you dont want to be clarified at all?
please do not be offended, we are here to compare and learn, so such pre-conceived notions can turn useless. why not have a clear mind and start everything from the beggining?

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Quote wisdomseeker Replybullet Posted: 22 October 2009 at 3:05am
i am referring to hasan's reply on the very first page.
may allah guide you.
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