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jusaskin
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![]() Topic: some questionsPosted: 31 March 2008 at 12:08pm |
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A few questions please, since I have read and heard different opinions on the following: 1.Is it correct to say that each word in the Quran was told to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel, who received the words from God? And that Muhammad received these message at different times, and being illiterate, he passed them on to someone who could write? 2. Is the Quran compiled according to some particular order? If the order is not according to when it was received, has this order ever been determined .... in other words, is there an index according to when the verses were received? 3. How is the Quran supposed to be read as relating to the existing scriptures of the Jews and Christians? Does the Quran supersede, amend or in some other manner link itself to those writings? Where can this be found in the Quran? 4. A question I asked in another post but have not received an answer .... what is meant by "the Book" and "people of the Book", in the Quran? Being unfamiliar with this forum's etiquette, is it preferable to post one question at a time, or is a multiple questions post acceptable? |
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Sign*Reader
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Originally posted by jusaskin A few questions please, since I have read and heard different opinions on the following: 1.Is it correct to say that each word in the Quran was told to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel, who received the words from God? And that Muhammad received these message at different times, and being illiterate, he passed them on to someone who could write? You understanding is correct! 2. Is the Quran compiled according to some particular order? If the order is not according to when it was received, has this order ever been determined .... in other words, is there an index according to when the verses were received? It commences with a short chapter called Fatiha (Opening) or oft repeated The Lord's Prayer. It was determined by the Prophet (saw) as to combine the common themed revealed sign passages(ayaas) under common chapters. He would recite the revealed portion at every anniversary in the month of Ramadan along with the arch angel Gabriel and He did twice before his death. The order in the final Quraanic scheme of it's recitation the longest to the shortest got settled in the lineup. The chapters in front contain most of the items jurisprudential and the items having to do with warnings for the disbelievers or describing the handiworks of the creator about life and resources provided in the maintenance of transitory life are set in later part of the readings. If some one who is opting to be a Muslim Jurist then he reads the Prophet(Saw) biography along with the revelatory time line which gives case by case causes of revelations. You can get yourself a good copy of seerah(Prophet's biography) which can tell you how it worked! 3. How is the Quran supposed to be read as relating to the existing scriptures of the Jews and Christians? Does the Quran supersede, amend or in some other manner link itself to those writings? It does all of the things you mentioned! Where can this be found in the Quran? You could use Quraanic search of IC subject by subject basis to find where Allah (swt) did those corrections as He deemed appropriate! As a matter of fact those references helped me to rediscover Islam in the US that was lost in the British colonial times. It is a long subject my friend! 4. A question I asked in another post but have not received an answer .... what is meant by "the Book" and "people of the Book", in the Quran? Generally speaking there are three Prophets(as) who were giving a set of defined revelations beside Muhammad(saw) cuz they had a nation audience (Israelites) to apply those instructions to as required by Allah. It was a Allah's time based project to proclaim Allah's worship and economic justice in the known world.In this mission Torah was revealed to Musa (as), Zaboor to Dawud(as) and Ingeel to Esa(as). It so happened that none of these prophets could complete the assignments due to the unreasonable demeanor of this relentless race- instead they took the economic control of the world as we know it! Generally who followed the fore mentioned books; were called People of the Book and some times differentiated by being called Jews & Christians/ Nezranis!, The secularist out of these groups were classified as pagans! Being unfamiliar with this forum's etiquette, is it preferable to post one question at a time, or is a multiple questions post acceptable? It is the moderators' purview! I guess for questions it shouldn't be a problem Edited by Sign*Reader |
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jusaskin
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SignReader, Thanks very much for the good information! Does the Quran supersede, amend or in some other manner link itself to those writings? It does all of the things you mentioned! I’m a bit confused here …. To supersede would mean that the other scriptures were to be replaced by the Quran. Or to put it another way, the Torah, Zaboor and Ingeel would no longer be valid for it’s readers, but would be replaced by the Quran. Is that really what you mean? And it may well be, as I have heard that expressed before. I just want to make sure that is what you are telling me here. Where can this be found in the Quran? You could use Quraanic search of IC subject by subject basis to find where Allah (swt) did those corrections as He deemed appropriate! As a matter of fact those references helped me to rediscover Islam in the US that was lost in the British colonial times. Please forgive my ignorance again, but I’m not sure what you mean by “Quraanic search of IC subject by subject”. It is a long subject my friend! Thanks for the warning |
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minuteman
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About the Quran superceding or abrogating the bible, I will soon try to find out and I hope to send some reply. There is a mixed report about these matters. I will try to give some reply. |
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Sign*Reader
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Originally posted by jusaskin
Thanks very much for the good information! Does the Quran supersede, amend or in some other manner link itself to those writings? It does all of the things you mentioned! I’m a bit confused here …. To supersede would mean that the other scriptures were to be replaced by the Quran. Or to put it another way, the Torah, Zaboor and Ingeel would no longer be valid for it’s readers, but would be replaced by the Quran. Is that really what you mean? And it may well be, as I have heard that expressed before. I just want to make sure that is what you are telling me here. Where can this be found in the Quran? The message Allah to Moses had tremendous number of dietary and other legal points cuz the
Israelites had lived under slavery in Following this when Allah permitted the Muslims food from the kitchens of people
of Book, He categorically excluded the swine, blood and other foods
(Read Chapter 5 Al Maida (The Table Spread)i.e., to observe Moses' dietary rules but not the way Jewish Rabbi had gotten the Kosher rules written down! It is but natural for the people to stick to the religious
practices and the weaning process happens to be quite tedious. Whoever amongst
the People of the Book stayed on the monotheistic worship and strictly followed
the rules, Allah gave them the pass for redemption in the hereafter even if they did not profess Kalima. It is what
we call they got "grand fathered" as long as things stayed peaceful but events moved
fast so the grand fathering became tentative cuz the majority of the People of
the Book and it's clergy did not want to follow the rules! They were OK with the secular rules but not the religious ones! The writings of Paul also alluded to some racial overtones that didn't bode well for the Arabs and the European based Christianity's underpinnings! If you look at the behavior of the preachers today, you can get some idea what I am talking about!
6:67 For every
message is a limit of time, and soon shall ye know it." and Chapter The miracle of Quraan was being the seal on further revelations cuz Muhammad (saw) completed his mission it's application in his life time and and then the companions carried on for the world that neither recipients of the Torah or Gospel could achieve in their own times! Please forgive my ignorance again, but I’m not sure what you mean by “Quraanic search of IC subject by subject”. When you open IC’s front page look on the right column at about middle you find-Quran Search-click that, it will open Quran search page that gives options to search by word, topic, phonetic on the left column and by chapter & verse on the right column. It couldn’t get any easier than that! try it!
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jusaskin
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Sign Reader, When you open IC’s front page look on the right column at about middle you find-Quran Search Now I see! I had not known what you meant by "IC". That is a very good source of information, and really well done. Fun to see how much Arabic one can match up with the English. I hope you aren't more confused! You did a very good job of trying to inform me, but making sense of the Quran, for a Christian, is confusing work .... at least for this Christian. It's hard to read that my scripture is full of lies, and that Muslims are forbidden to be friends with me. Still I will try to see where we have common ground, and make the best of that. |
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believer
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I know what you mean jusaskin. Here are some verses regarding the truth in our Holy Scriptures- Remember though that unlike the Bible the different translations can really change the whole meaning of the verses. words in ( ) translators own words 003.003 YUSUFALI: It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). PICKTHAL: He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. SHAKIR: He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan.
YUSUFALI: We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
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