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Israfil

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Posted: 06 April 2008 at 5:44pm

Doo-Bop is anti-Islam.....

He calls the movie made by GEEK oops Geert Wilders Great!

What real Christian spends his or her time on Muslim forums trying to disprove a religion? Someone who lacks religious insight. If I spent my time on Christian forums talking about how wrong the Trinity is and how wrong Christianity is because of this and that while at the same time fighting to defend my point of view I haven't gained nothing. I suggest to you Doo-Bop is to gain more knowledge on your faith and come closer to God on your personal time than trying to disprove a religious belief. We've heard your point and I'm quite aware you dislike Islam and its eachings and its your choice to have this belief but don't come here making st**id a** threads about an ignorant dutch who is not only racist, and nationalist, but also a bigot.

If you call such a human being good because this individual shares a similar opinion like you then maybe you should look in the mirror and wonder whether you are truly following the WWJD pattern. Most Christian intellects don't spend their times on countless Muslim forums discrediting another person's faith. Most say that God's influence works in time not in the words of other men. So by discrediting Islam you are pushing potential converts away by showing your personality here. Because of your sheer insensitivity to my faith when I log on sometimes I wish people like you were all crammed in a missile and shot in the SUN.

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Posted: 06 April 2008 at 5:54pm

Originally posted by Doo-bop

"you would assume that Dr. King wasn't aware of the history! Good try"

And you would assume that he was? Look, be gullible if you like, but don't assume we all are

Won't assume any thing about your awareness, it is quite obvious to be an opposite case!

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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 9:18am

Auntie - in none of the scriptures you quoted are christians commanded to fight, go to war or shed blood. Fact. And you know very well what I'm asking you to substantiate. I quoted your own statement for you. If you cannot substantiate your statements, then why make them?

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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 9:20am

Doo-Bop what are you trying to prove? Stop dodging criticism and answer the question

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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 9:23am

Israfil - always a pleasure to hear from you, as you know. Now Wilders. He is, according to your good self 1.- ignorant 2.- Dutch 3.- racist 4.- nationalist 5.- bigot

Well, he is Dutch, I agree. But what about the rest? Can we have some clarification on this?

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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 9:40am

1) His bigotry:

‘Islam is not a religion, it’s an ideology,’ says Wilders, a lanky Roman Catholic right-winger, ‘the ideology of a retarded culture.’.... http://makkah.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/geert-wilders-polariz ing-dutch-society-against-islam-and-muslims/

Dutch Jewish Producer: “Keert Wilders is a bigot!!!”

Jewish TV producer Harry De Winter has blasted Geert Wilders’ anti-Islam film aspirations with a provocative advertisement on the front page of the Dutch de Volkskrant:

TV Producer Harry de Winter, President of the board of the foundation Een Ander Joods Geluid [Another Jewish Voice], today placed a remarkable advertisement on the front page of the newspaper Volkskrant. De Winter puts Geert Wilders’s criticism of Muslims in the same category as anti-Semitism…

http://makkah.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/geert-wilders-polariz ing-dutch-society-against-islam-and-muslims/

2) Racism

"Immigration? Not of Muslims!"

Geert Wilders's right-wing Party for Freedom (PVV) can hardly be surprised by the cordon sanitaire imposed against it on Friday.

http://afutureinfreedom.blogspot.com/2007/11/immigration-not -by-muslims.html

In the link you'll find this person in the same political part as Geert Wilders...

"submitting to the Parliament an official motion calling for an immediate ban on immigration of Muslims to the Netherlands. The Dutch identity is compromised "by the continuous immigration of Muslims who often appear not to share our values," Fritsma stated."

The above is from the same link but wanted to point how similar statements made by Wilders in his nationalist view.

If Wilders is promoting true tolerance why are all these people across the globe in these pictures protest against him? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1993293/posts

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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 9:41am

Shasta'sAunt - You wrote: "Muslims may or may not have been responsible for 9-11." This is why I do not reason with Muslims but simply make fun of them.

You also wrote: "...it is a Christian president who unilaterally brought about the war in Iraq..." Iraq is one of several centers of Islamic Civilization. The invasion removes the Iranian model. You know. Where a Muslim dictator takes over from a secular dictator. Humpty dumpty Iraq will for decades if, not centuries, be conflict between Muslims.

You also wrote: "Blood money on the hands of the Christian administration of a Judeo-Christian country." You write as if (and I agree) the Iraqi invasion set Islam back a notch or two.

You also wrote: "Don't try to portray Islam as a religion of violence..." Yeah. You won't even criticize the 9/11 guys, even if they "Might or might not" have been Muslims."

You also wrote: "...Christianity was the original violent religion. It even began with a human sacrifice...." Christianity began in humility and persecution. This went on for several centuries until Constantine established Christianity as the State Religion."

Islam, on the other hand militarily conquered much of the known world by force of arms in less then a century. However, beeing a religion of violence, it did not last very long. Why? Because even some of the four Rightly Quided Caliphs were less then pious. After that the entire enterprise descended into civil wars, both large and small, that continue to this very day.

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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 10:29am

Originally posted by Israfil

1) His bigotry:

Dutch Jewish Producer: “Keert Wilders is a bigot!!!”

Jewish TV producer Harry De Winter has blasted Geert Wilders’ anti-Islam film aspirations with a provocative advertisement on the front page of the Dutch de Volkskrant:

http://makkah.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/geert-wilders-polariz ing-dutch-society-against-islam-and-muslims/

2) Racism

"Immigration? Not of Muslims!"

Geert Wilders's right-wing Party for Freedom (PVV) can hardly be surprised by the cordon sanitaire imposed against it on Friday.

http://afutureinfreedom.blogspot.com/2007/11/immigration-not -by-muslims.html

In the link you'll find this person in the same political part as Geert Wilders...

The above is from the same link but wanted to point how similar statements made by Wilders in his nationalist view.

If Wilders is promoting true tolerance why are all these people across the globe in these pictures protest against him? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1993293/posts

But the very same page you linked has Wilders declaring that he does not hate muslims, but Islam. So how can he be a bigot? (Indeed, as a christian, he must hate islam, but must not hate muslims).

And how can he be racist, since Islam does not constitute a race?

Fundamental questions which must be answered, but they will not be, because the muslims simply hate Wilders for his fierce criticism of Islam, which they will not tolerate. Indeed, muslims are working very hard to impose conditions where islam cannot be criticised. And they are doing this world-wide

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Israfil Senior Member Joined: 08 September 2003 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3984	Posted: 06 April 2008 at 5:44pm
	Doo-Bop is anti-Islam..... He calls the movie made by GEEK oops Geert Wilders Great! What real Christian spends his or her time on Muslim forums trying to disprove a religion? Someone who lacks religious insight. If I spent my time on Christian forums talking about how wrong the Trinity is and how wrong Christianity is because of this and that while at the same time fighting to defend my point of view I haven't gained nothing. I suggest to you Doo-Bop is to gain more knowledge on your faith and come closer to God on your personal time than trying to disprove a religious belief. We've heard your point and I'm quite aware you dislike Islam and its eachings and its your choice to have this belief but don't come here making stid a threads about an ignorant dutch who is not only racist, and nationalist, but also a bigot. If you call such a human being good because this individual shares a similar opinion like you then maybe you should look in the mirror and wonder whether you are truly following the WWJD pattern. Most Christian intellects don't spend their times on countless Muslim forums discrediting another person's faith. Most say that God's influence works in time not in the words of other men. So by discrediting Islam you are pushing potential converts away by showing your personality here. Because of your sheer insensitivity to my faith when I log on sometimes I wish people like you were all crammed in a missile and shot in the SUN.
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 06 April 2008 at 5:54pm
	*Originally posted by Doo-bop* "you would assume that Dr. King wasn't aware of the history! Good try" And you would assume that he was? Look, be gullible if you like, but don't assume we all are Won't assume any thing about your awareness, it is quite obvious to be an opposite case!
	Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Doo-bop Senior Member Joined: 04 March 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 531	Posted: 07 April 2008 at 9:18am
	*Auntie* - in none of the scriptures you quoted are christians commanded to fight, go to war or shed blood. Fact. And you know very well what I'm asking you to substantiate. I quoted your own statement for you. If you cannot substantiate your statements, then why make them?
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Israfil Senior Member Joined: 08 September 2003 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3984	Posted: 07 April 2008 at 9:20am
	Doo-Bop what are you trying to prove? Stop dodging criticism and answer the question
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Doo-bop Senior Member Joined: 04 March 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 531	Posted: 07 April 2008 at 9:23am
	*Israfil* - always a pleasure to hear from you, as you know. Now Wilders. He is, according to your good self 1.- ignorant 2.- Dutch 3.- racist 4.- nationalist 5.- bigot Well, he is Dutch, I agree. But what about the rest? Can we have some clarification on this?
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Israfil Senior Member Joined: 08 September 2003 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3984	Posted: 07 April 2008 at 9:40am
	1) His bigotry: ‘Islam is not a religion, it’s an ideology,’ says Wilders, a lanky Roman Catholic right-winger, ‘the ideology of a retarded culture.’.... http://makkah.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/geert-wilders-polariz ing-dutch-society-against-islam-and-muslims/ Dutch Jewish Producer: “Keert Wilders is a bigot!!!” Jewish TV producer Harry De Winter has blasted Geert Wilders’ anti-Islam film aspirations with a provocative advertisement on the front page of the Dutch de Volkskrant: TV Producer Harry de Winter, President of the board of the foundation Een Ander Joods Geluid [Another Jewish Voice], today placed a remarkable advertisement on the front page of the newspaper Volkskrant. De Winter puts Geert Wilders’s criticism of Muslims in the same category as anti-Semitism… http://makkah.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/geert-wilders-polariz ing-dutch-society-against-islam-and-muslims/ 2) Racism "Immigration? Not of Muslims!" *Geert Wilders's right-wing Party for Freedom (PVV) can hardly be surprised by the cordon sanitaire* imposed against it on Friday.** http://afutureinfreedom.blogspot.com/2007/11/immigration-not -by-muslims.html In the link you'll find this person in the same political part as Geert Wilders... "submitting to the Parliament an official motion calling for an immediate ban on immigration of Muslims to the Netherlands. The Dutch identity is compromised "by the continuous immigration of Muslims who often appear not to share our values," Fritsma stated." The above is from the same link but wanted to point how similar statements made by Wilders in his nationalist view. If Wilders is promoting true tolerance why are all these people across the globe in these pictures protest against him? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1993293/posts
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ejdavid Senior Member Joined: 28 August 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 173	Posted: 07 April 2008 at 9:41am
	Shasta'sAunt - You wrote: "Muslims may or may not have been responsible for 9-11." This is why I do not reason with Muslims but simply make fun of them. You also wrote: "...it is a Christian president who unilaterally brought about the war in Iraq..." Iraq is one of several centers of Islamic Civilization. The invasion removes the Iranian model. You know. Where a Muslim dictator takes over from a secular dictator. Humpty dumpty Iraq will for decades if, not centuries, be conflict between Muslims. You also wrote: "Blood money on the hands of the Christian administration of a Judeo-Christian country." You write as if (and I agree) the Iraqi invasion set Islam back a notch or two. You also wrote: "Don't try to portray Islam as a religion of violence..." Yeah. You won't even criticize the 9/11 guys, even if they "Might or might not" have been Muslims." You also wrote: "...Christianity was the original violent religion. It even began with a human sacrifice...." Christianity began in humility and persecution. This went on for several centuries until Constantine established Christianity as the State Religion." Islam, on the other hand militarily conquered much of the known world by force of arms in less then a century. However, beeing a religion of violence, it did not last very long. Why? Because even some of the four Rightly Quided Caliphs were less then pious. After that the entire enterprise descended into civil wars, both large and small, that continue to this very day.
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Doo-bop Senior Member Joined: 04 March 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 531	Posted: 07 April 2008 at 10:29am
	*Originally posted by Israfil* 1) His bigotry: ‘Islam is not a religion, it’s an ideology,’ says Wilders, a lanky Roman Catholic right-winger, ‘the ideology of a retarded culture.’.... http://makkah.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/geert-wilders-polariz ing-dutch-society-against-islam-and-muslims/ Dutch Jewish Producer: “Keert Wilders is a bigot!!!” Jewish TV producer Harry De Winter has blasted Geert Wilders’ anti-Islam film aspirations with a provocative advertisement on the front page of the Dutch de Volkskrant: TV Producer Harry de Winter, President of the board of the foundation Een Ander Joods Geluid [Another Jewish Voice], today placed a remarkable advertisement on the front page of the newspaper Volkskrant. De Winter puts Geert Wilders’s criticism of Muslims in the same category as anti-Semitism… http://makkah.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/geert-wilders-polariz ing-dutch-society-against-islam-and-muslims/ 2) Racism "Immigration? Not of Muslims!" *Geert Wilders's right-wing Party for Freedom (PVV) can hardly be surprised by the cordon sanitaire* imposed against it on Friday.** http://afutureinfreedom.blogspot.com/2007/11/immigration-not -by-muslims.html In the link you'll find this person in the same political part as Geert Wilders... "submitting to the Parliament an official motion calling for an immediate ban on immigration of Muslims to the Netherlands. The Dutch identity is compromised "by the continuous immigration of Muslims who often appear not to share our values," Fritsma stated." The above is from the same link but wanted to point how similar statements made by Wilders in his nationalist view. If Wilders is promoting true tolerance why are all these people across the globe in these pictures protest against him? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1993293/posts But the very same page you linked has Wilders declaring that he does not hate muslims, but Islam. So how can he be a bigot? (Indeed, as a christian, he must hate islam, but must not hate muslims). And how can he be racist, since Islam does not constitute a race? Fundamental questions which must be answered, but they will not be, because the muslims simply hate Wilders for his fierce criticism of Islam, which they will not tolerate. Indeed, muslims are working very hard to impose conditions where islam cannot be criticised. And they are doing this world-wide
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