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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2008 at 4:53am
Remember He was confined in the human body, but not all of Him. 
 
Do you believe in omnipresence?  Can GOD be in your heart?
 
When did GOD manifest Himself in other creatures?
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Quote minuteman Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2008 at 9:49am
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Remember He was confined in the human body, but not all of Him. 
 
Do you believe in omnipresence?  Can GOD be in your heart?
 
When did GOD manifest Himself in other creatures?
 
 Believer, you can believe what you like. Some of you say that jesus was half man and half god. Now here you are saying " Can GOD be in your heart?" Well if it can be in your heart even then it does not make you a God. Do you understand??
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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2008 at 1:16pm
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Remember He was confined in the human body, but not all of Him. 
 
Do you believe in omnipresence?  Can GOD be in your heart?
 
When did GOD manifest Himself in other creatures?
Hi beleiver,
knowledge is good. If you can believe that God manifest himself in the form of a white man, why do my Christian friends take Hindu's belief as a joke when they say that god manifested himself in the form of a monkey or an elephant, or a blue man.
If you consider thier belief untrue then just look at yourself. Becaue you are doing the same thing, but you percieve it not. If "Raj" is wrong in believing in god coming on earth as a blue man, a monkey or an elephant according to "John doe" , then why is he himself right to believe that god came on earth only as a white man.
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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2008 at 7:01pm
You bring up a good point.  
 
Did these manifestations speak against the caste system?
 
Did they preach to follow the commandments?
 
Did they preach what is in Luke 10-
 
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

 26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

 27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2008 at 6:02pm

Hi beleiver,

I have not much researched into Hindu teachings except some basics. You have to ask a Hindu those questions.
 
You quoted Jesus preaching Love of God, as "written in the Law". That is a great command, but note here that it is refering to the Law. That brings the claim that "Love" was a new command to a>>>>>>>
 
It reads:Luke 10:27He answered: "25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"  26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"  'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"
What puzzles me however is the following quote, can these be said by the same person (if not god, which is the general claim) not too far apart in time I guess?? Let's read:
 
Matthew 10:34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - 36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household."
 
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Edited by honeto - 25 April 2008 at 6:04pm
39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Quote kmohareb Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2008 at 8:17pm
Dear all,

May Allah reward you for your responses to the Believer's statement.

My response will start with some questions to our dear Believer :

1-What do you call your God?
2-What is his name?
3-Is it Jesus, Holy Spirit or Father?
4-Where is the logic in Trinity?
5-Is Trinity mentioned in the Bible?
6-Where in the Bible that Jesus (PBUH) claimed to be God or part of him?
7-Is the Bible your source of religion?

With all those question in mind, I think that the Believer is trying to convince himself with something illogical. Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible, and Jesus (PBUH) never mentioned it, so who made it up, and how can any body dictate such a thing without a proof or authority.

You said :

“Jesus a manifestation of GOD, 100% human and 100% GOD, sent to earth for a mission. He knew what was coming up, His physical death on the cross. We are seeing the 100% human part of Him dreading His separation from GOD"

Going back to trinity and using simple Mathematics :

1+1+1=1 (Where is the common sense in this?)
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1+1+1= Unity ( I would say Union of three and not one or unity)

If it is a union of three Gods, then who has the chair, and where is this union before the birth of Jesus (PBUH), or did God split into three manifestations after the birth of Jesus (BPUH) then the equation should be:

0.3333333+0.3333333+0.3333334=1 ( in this case one manifestation must be bigger than the other two to reach true one).

This is completely illogical!! and when you said that Jesus was sent to earth, then someone has sent him, who? The Father but Jesus and the Father are one, so in that case did Jesus send himself down? We all know that the sender must have more power or authority than the messenger he sends, Jesus (PBUH) is the messenger and he was send by the One almighty God.

So open your heart and mind, In Islam Allah our almighty God (SWT) has given us all the logical answers in the Koran and the teaching of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH).

In your statement you said
" Muslims say Allah's unity is one single being. How can unity be one being? One is a just that a single static being. Unity implies more then one, one in union with something else?”

We don't have unity in Islam, we have the oneness of God (Tawheed) which means not to associate any other with Allah (SWT) and that he is ONE and only no manifestations no partners no son and no holy spirit.


"[1> Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
[2> Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
[3> He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
[4> And there is none like unto Him."

Al-Ikhlas, 112, 2


Even though Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible, yet it is mentioned in the Koran with a warning:

"O People of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs."
An-Nisaa, 4,     171



     
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

Al-Maidah, 5     , 73




Furthermore Jesus (PBUH) never claimed to be GOD as stated in this verse:


"And behold! Allah will say: "O 'Isa the son of Maryam! didst thou say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden."
Al-Maidah, 5, 116


Now to answer all these questions which are not related to the subject and shows that you have lost your reasons to continue, anyways to answer your none related questions, bare in mind that men and women are biologically differ.


Are women men equal witnesses?
No because they are biologically different and women can easily forget, and that is a stated fact by Koran and you can look it up in Science.

“And get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.”
Al-Baqara – 2-282

Equal in what they inherit?

No, because the man is responsible of supporting the family and he can not touch his wife money, so what ever she earns or inherits is for her only, but the man is for him and his family.
     
Can men and women have equal number of spouses?
No, because incase of a man has more than one wife the father and the mother of the born child are easily determined, but incase of woman who has more than one spouse, you can not determine the father.

Can Muslim women marry non- Muslim men?

No, to protect the religion of the child, because the child carries his father name and religion when born.

Can wives punish disobedient men?
The woman is usually weak and will not be able by nature to punish her husband but she can divorce him.
Do both men and women have to be escorted outside the home?
No Just the woman when she travels long distances, she has to have close relative with her to protect her incase of emergency.


Allah almighty knows better, all these words are mine and I seek forgiveness from Allah almighty for any shortfall which is because of my ignorance. Allah is all knowing.

Wassalam

41:34 Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 26 April 2008 at 3:22pm
honeto - I know that verse has confused you we have talked about it before.  His followers think all is going to be just great since Jesus is there.  Jesus knows differently.  His coming to earth is going to cause all kinds of differances between people.
 
In order to follow Jesus many people will have to -'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - 36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household."
 
It plays out all the time when a Muslim becomes a Christian.
 
How do you decrease the font on messages?
 
1 x 1 x 1 x 1 =1
 
HYH
 
The Holy Bible is the WORD of the One True GOD.
 
If you were to read the Bible all the way though with an open heart you would know the truth.
 
Jesus does only what the Father wills.
 
You mention His Word from the Quran verse -  What does that mean to you? 
 


Edited by believer - 26 April 2008 at 3:23pm
John 3
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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 26 April 2008 at 6:20pm
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honeto - I know that verse has confused you we have talked about it before.  His followers think all is going to be just great since Jesus is there.  Jesus knows differently.  His coming to earth is going to cause all kinds of differances between people.
 
In order to follow Jesus many people will have to -'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - 36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household."
 
It plays out all the time when a Muslim becomes a Christian.
 
How do you decrease the font on messages?
 
1 x 1 x 1 x 1 =1
 
HYH
 
The Holy Bible is the WORD of the One True GOD.
 
If you were to read the Bible all the way though with an open heart you would know the truth.
 
Jesus does only what the Father wills.
 
You mention His Word from the Quran verse -  What does that mean to you? 
 
 
beleiver,
I think you are confused, at least you seem that way my friend. You need to go back to my last posting and read it again, because I don't like to in circles. You wrote something with a quote to bring out your point, I answered it with quotes that negativated yours. And both your and my quotes came from the same book and are associated with the same person. That is the issue deer, just read it again.
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