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Quote mariyah Replybullet Posted: 20 April 2008 at 10:38pm
Believer,
Could you please quote your source in the bible that makes the statement about the concept of the trinity in the bible. And are you aware that this concept was interjected into some of the writings of the bible in the meeting of the council of nicea headed by Constantine the pagan in the 3rd century Common Era?
All you know is what you hear. Can you back it up with some credible sources, not one that is biased in modern christian doctrine.?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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LOL!  ali- I have been proclaiming over and over that Christians believe in One True GOD.  Not 3 gods.

LOL!  All know that Jesus is good.  Jesus is asking the man WHY? he thinks Jesus is good.  Jesus is eguating Himself with GOD.  Jesus does not work on His own but through the Father, because all are one. 

No, the word Trinity is not a word used in the Bible.  The concept of the Father, Holy Spirit and Son working together as One True GOD is.

Yes we sing praises to all the "units" of GOD but, Chrisitans do not worship the "units" [manifestations] separatly, but as the One True UNITY that is YHWH.

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Quote mariyah Replybullet Posted: 20 April 2008 at 10:47pm
Even though I remain a muslim alhamdullillah, I find the following site to be of interest:
 
 
 
 
 
I have found a CHristian source downplaying the concept of the Trinity: My graduation major was history and I know they are closer to the truth than any:
 

The Early Church of the Bible knew nothing of a Trinity Doctrine. The very term "Trinity" or the teaching of it as a Christian doctrine did not start until 180 A.D. This is almost 150 years after the Church, under the new covenant, started in A.D. 33 on the day of Pentecost. One can search the Acts of the Apostles in the Bible which is the true History of the early Church thoroughly and not find any of the Apostles teaching the Trinity. We find some very enlightening historical statements in the Catholic Encyclopedia under "Trinity". "In Scripture there is no single term by which the Divine Persons of a Trinity are denoted together. The word TPIAS (of which the Latin word TRINITAS) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180." Note the following: "The writers of this school contend that the doctrine of the Trinity, as professed by the (CATHOLIC) Church, is not contained in the New Testament, but that it was first formulated in the Second Century and received final approbation in the Fourth, as the result of the Arian and Macedoian controversies."

The Encyclopedia Americana (1956), Vol. XXVII, Page 294L states that "Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was (and still is) strictly Unitarian. (oneness). The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately, early (Original Bible) Christian teaching regarding the nature of God. Rather, it was a deviation from this teaching."

The early original Apostolic Church of the Bible believed in only one God. The Trinity Doctrine was a latter man-made theory. It came into existence because the Latin and Greek Philosophers and Politicians rejected the Hebrew Scriptures and strict Monotheistic Doctrine of the Bible. Many Latin and Greek peoples were still influenced greatly by their old Pagan Theology of polytheism."

See the rest of this at
http://www.thunderministries.com/history/triad/onlyone.html
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Quote minuteman Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2008 at 1:52am

 

 Thanks Mariyah for your informative post. The catholic church (and the protestants too) are sticking to One god theory along with three gods. They believe that there is a father god and a son god and the holy spirit god. But they still believe that He is One God. Perhaps they believe in a God with three parts.

Actually, they went astray with their Trinity. Now it is difficult for them to drop that line of three gods. But there is a pressure from the Jews (Torah) and the Muslims (Quran).  Also, because the verses of the bible NT is speaking about the One God. So they do not know where to go.

 The Quran and the Torah teaches monotheism. i.e. Unitarian faith. The church cannot support that faith. It has to support Trinitarian faith even if they cannot prove it.

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Quote mariyah Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2008 at 1:25pm
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"LOL!!  Oh yes I forgot I was talking to a muslims, men and women are not equal!  LOL!!"

 
Evidently you are showing your lack of experience or lack of education. Women and men are indeed equal in Islam before God as the Haj will show. In fact, women are protected. It is culture and ignorance that causes the deviations. And  your LOL is rather insulting. I suggest you read up and stop mocking us to participate in serious dialogue
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 22 April 2008 at 9:31am
The false witness statement is directed towards all those naming Mary a prostitute when that is never said.
 
Stephen was actually killed before Paul even converted-
 
Acts 7
 54When they heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56"Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."

 57At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul.

 59While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." 60Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." When he had said this, he fell asleep.

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 1And Saul was there, giving approval to his death.

The Church Persecuted and Scattered
    On that day a great persecution broke out against the church at Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria. 2Godly men buried Stephen and mourned deeply for him. 3But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 22 April 2008 at 9:58am
minuteman- LOL!!  WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD IS 3 gods.  IT IS ONE GOD with 3 manifestations. 
 
mariyah - the concept was not labeled until later.  I believe that in naming the concept it has actually made it harder for people to put their minds around.  You said all I know is what I hear yes, but not from man.  I know because the HOLY Spirit has revealed things to me.
 
Matthew 28:19

19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Matthew 3
 16As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
 
the voice from heaven- GOD, dove-Holy Spirit, Jesus- 3 manifestations.
 
Acts 8:16

16because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

GOD's plan to reveal Himself to us in separate ways at separate times
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 22 April 2008 at 10:30am
Are women men equal witnesses?
 
Equal in what they inherit?
 
Can men and women have equal number of spouses?
 
Can Muslim women marry non- Muslim men? 

Can wives punish disobedient men?

Do both men and women have to be escorted outside the home?  Is this hadith or Quran?
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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 22 April 2008 at 2:10pm
Hi beleiver,
you wrote:  "WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD IS 3 gods.  IT IS ONE GOD with 3 manifestations. "
Well you are the one who first said, Jesus was/is God. Who came to the world. Was not he a walking talking eating and sleeping God according to your belief?  Did he not pray to someone else whom he called God some times and father at others? Did he not cried for help to someone other than him God, (to another)God.
May be that still works for you, for I, it is pure silly, but I respect your believe as well as others like you who beleive that God manifested himself on this earth in form of other creatures than just a white man. People will be people, each one can believe as they wish. But I believe each one will be held responsible for how they got to that conclusion of theirs.
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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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