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Quote Shasta'sAunt Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2008 at 5:00pm
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Nausheen- You don't have to believe it if you don't want to.  I am saying though that GOD is all powerful and capable of doing such.  God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, One True GOD.

1 Peter 3

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 

19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
 
 
So, man was so unjust that God could no longer forgive man of his own accord and a blood sacrifice had to be made to achieve atonement? 
 
What about those who died before the advent of Jesus?
 
Then, to make sure everyone got the message of this salvation, Jesus did not ever clearly state that he was God and that this was his sole purpose on earth.  So that only a mere handful of men even knew what was going on. And these men, who were the only ones on the face of the earth who knew that Jesus was God, actually fell asleep on his last night on earth when he asked them not to, then fled and denied any knowledge of him when he was taken by the Romans.  So they denied God, but were still  chosen to go out and spread the word of God.  Only the women, his mother Mary and Mary Magdelene, who has been branded a prostitute by Christians, stayed.  Yet Paul/Saul then stated that women were not allowed to head a church or even speak in church for that matter. So the women were well rewarded for their bravery.
 
Then Jesus, who was supposed to die for our sins, but never really could die because he was God, was resurrected, so he didn't REALLY die, and then went back to heaven to sit on the right hand side of God, himself.


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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2008 at 5:21pm
Don't you as a Muslim believe in a final Judgement Day?  Where are people before that final Judgement Day?
 
His body died like all Human bodies die, but it was ressurected.  Jesus Spirit lived on-  God is Spirit.  God was not in any type of body until His manifestation as Jesus.
 

Romans 2

 12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

 16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

 
Yes at first the Disciples fled, but then many were martyerd for saying that Jesus was GOD.
 
 Mary Magdelene was never mentioned as a prostitute in the New Testament.
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2008 at 6:11pm
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Don't you as a Muslim believe in a final Judgement Day?  Where are people before that final Judgement Day?
 
His body died like all Human bodies die, but it was ressurected.  Jesus Spirit lived on-  God is Spirit.  God was not in any type of body until His manifestation as Jesus.
 

Romans 2

 12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

 16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

 
Yes at first the Disciples fled, but then many were martyerd for saying that Jesus was GOD.
 
 Mary Magdelene was never mentioned as a prostitute in the New Testament.
Hi believer,
of course we the Muslims believe in the Jedgement Day, and each one will be Judged according to the critarian or God's law they lived in. For example we live in times where the Quran is the law according to which we will be Judged.
We have a body and a soul. The soul is taken by the angels at death. God will raise us again on that day, our body will be back with our soul .  And according to my undersatanding in Islam our eyes, hands, ears and so on will speak the truth about ourself if we try to deny what we did, uttered or intended.
Those of us who believe in such a truth don't play with words or minds.
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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Quote Shasta'sAunt Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 2:41am
"Yes at first the Disciples fled, but then many were martyerd for saying that Jesus was GOD.
 
 Mary Magdelene was never mentioned as a prostitute in the New Testament."
 
If the disciples believed Jesus was God, why did they flee? They had nothing to fear, they were in the presence of God Almighty.
 
The Trinity and Jesus as God incarnate are not in the New Testament either, yet you seem to believe them to be true.

"Mary Magdalene is often referred to as a prostitute, but she was never called one in the New Testament.

Jeffrey Kripal, a religion scholar, wrote, "Migdal was a fishing town known, or so the legend goes, for its perhaps punning connection to hairdressers (medgaddlela) and women of questionable reputation. This is as close as we get to any clear evidence that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute"[7]. According to Kripal, the identification of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute also goes back to the above mentioned sermon by Pope Gregory[8].

In this sermon, Gregory identified Mary as peccatrix, a sinful woman, using her as a model for the repentant sinner, but he did not call her meretrix, a prostitute.

However, he also identifies Mary with the adulteress brought before Jesus (as recounted in the Pericope Adulterae, John 8), supporting the view of 3rd and 4th century Church fathers that had already considered this sin as "being unchaste".

Gregory's identification and the consideration of the woman's sin as sexual later gave rise to the image of Mary as a prostitute.
 

This image of Mary as a prostitute was followed by many writers and artists until the 20th century. Even though it is less prevalent nowadays, the identification of Mary Magdalene with the adulteress is still accepted by some Christians. This is reflected in Martin Scorsese's film adaptation of Nikos Kazantzakis's novel The Last Temptation of Christ, as well as in José Saramago's The Gospel According to Jesus Christ, Andrew Lloyd Webber's rock opera Jesus Christ Superstar, Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ and Hal Hartley's The Book of Life.

One possible explanation for the labeling of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute is that there has been confusion between her and Mary of Egypt. Another possible explanation is that it has been deliberately used to camouflage the close relationship between Jesus and Mary."  Wikipedia

 
 
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2008 at 3:45pm
I don't believe that Popes are infallible.
 
 doubt  After His resurrection they held firm through torture to death.
 
The word Trinity is indeed not in the Bible, but the concept is there.  Sometimes I think it was a mistake to label it- man always fall short.
 
Jesus as GOD is in the Bible.
John 3
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Quote Shasta'sAunt Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2008 at 4:17pm
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I don't believe that Popes are infallible.
 
 doubt  After His resurrection they held firm through torture to death.
 
The word Trinity is indeed not in the Bible, but the concept is there.  Sometimes I think it was a mistake to label it- man always fall short.
 
Jesus as GOD is in the Bible.
 
Where does Jesus call himself God in the Bible?  Where is jesus called God in the Old Testament, before Saul/Paul?
 
The Pope is not the only one to label Mary Magdalene as a harlot. It is / was common practice.
 
The only disciple of Jesus whose death is recounted in the Bible is James, who was put to the sword by Herod.  The rest?????? 


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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 20 April 2008 at 5:33pm

Acts 22

20And when the blood of your martyr Stephen was shed, I stood there giving my approval and guarding the clothes of those who were killing him.

Matthew 14

6On Herod's birthday the daughter of Herodias danced for them and pleased Herod so much 7that he promised with an oath to give her whatever she asked. 8Prompted by her mother, she said, "Give me here on a platter the head of John the Baptist." 9The king was distressed, but because of his oaths and his dinner guests, he ordered that her request be granted 10and had John beheaded in the prison. 11His head was brought in on a platter and given to the girl, who carried it to her mother. 12John's disciples came and took his body and buried it. Then they went and told Jesus.
 

Acts 12

 1It was about this time that King Herod arrested some who belonged to the church, intending to persecute them. 2He had James, the brother of John, put to death with the sword.
Nasty business name calling- Do not bear false witness 1 of the commandments.
 
Actually Jesus is salvation in the Old Testament.
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Quote Shasta'sAunt Replybullet Posted: 20 April 2008 at 7:00pm
Joseph was killed before Jesus died and was not one of the disciples who denied Jesus when confronted in the garden.
 
Simon,  Andrew, James, John, Philip, Nathaniel (also called Bartholomew), Matthew, Thomas, James, son of Alpheus, Simon the Zealot, Judas, son of James, and Judas Iscariot.
 
Not a Stephen among them.  Stephen came after the death of Jesus.
 
We were speaking of the men who denied Jesus when he was arrested. Not every Christian who was ever martyred.
 
Be careful about that false witness thing.....


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