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Posted: 13 April 2008 at 12:57pm

The website

http://thriceholy.net/truegodf.html

is a great site. When you are ready it will open up the truth of what Christians believe.

YES, GOD's manifestations, Father, Son and Holy Spirit have been revealed to many.

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Posted: 14 April 2008 at 12:57am

Believer: Past, present, and future -- all three of them are equal components that make up time

If you would like to present an example, then the example should justifiably show what to want to say. The concept of time has been the matter of long discussion and will be. In fact you can not even apply this definition to time. I can say the time (you are talking about) is a quantity which is scaled and measured from movement. So the movement makes up time and the time makes up past, present and future. On the other hand, past- present and future are apparently not equal components.

Believer: “Which is more powerful? Actually dpends on the person- Are you stuck in the past, look to the future, think only of the present.”

Another contradiction!! Your ideology commits numerous contradictions. From one side you say past, present and future are equal components and from the other side you say their power depend on what people think of them. The more you stick to this doctrine the more you have to commit contradictions.

Edited by myahya - 14 April 2008 at 9:48am

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Posted: 14 April 2008 at 4:49pm

LOL!! There are no contradictions.. You guys are a hoot.

LOL! There are all kinds of examples in our world. I bet if you actually thought about it you could come up with an example too.

I think the problem may be that if a Muslim says, ok I understand what you are saying, but I don't believe that GOD manifests in that way is that Islam will fails.

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Posted: 14 April 2008 at 5:00pm

believer,

to you be yours and to us is our belief. For us God does not come in the shape of a man, elephant or a monkey. Those are his creations not his manfestations.

Hasan

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 15 April 2008 at 12:33am

Beleiver, I am not sure if I understand what you mean by “manifestation”. If manifestation means what I know in Arabic “Aayah”, then everything in worlds is a manifestation of Allah (swt) which may show some of His attributes and abilities according to His will. However, manifestation doesn’t mean that an existence can take part in Allah (swt) so that without that particular existence He misses a thing or changes or becomes divided and so on.

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Posted: 15 April 2008 at 1:28am

Originally posted by believer

husband and wife in a marriage, both are people, both hpoefully have equal duties in the family, yet there has to be a head of the household.

Perhaps that head is the woman, if you are not a muslim

since you made fun of Israfi's statement ... interesting comments!!

Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.

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Posted: 15 April 2008 at 1:42am

Auzubillahi Minash Shaitan ir Rajeem,

Bismillah ir Rahman ir Rahim,

Why should one confine their Illah into an equation?

He is the creator and we the created. Everything other than Him is created, then how is it possible that He and something from His creation can become one, in unity - nauzubillah!!

Then, jesus (alihe salam) went to hell for the attonment of the sins of mankind -- do you beleive in this too? if so, then according to your equation, a portion of God was cast in hellfire - is that true?

Jesus (alaihe salam) also died on the cross - was resurrected. What god would *die* and will be * resurrected **

Perhaps I am mixing some sectarian beliefs withing christianity - you know better than I do.

PS: Israfil, in a long time, saw some very good posts from you. Jazak Allahu Khair.

Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.

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Posted: 16 April 2008 at 4:43pm

Nausheen- You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. I am saying though that GOD is all powerful and capable of doing such. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, One True GOD.

1 Peter 3

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 13 April 2008 at 12:57pm
	The website http://thriceholy.net/truegodf.html is a great site. When you are ready it will open up the truth of what Christians believe. YES, GOD's manifestations, Father, Son and Holy Spirit have been revealed to many.
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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myahya Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 222	Posted: 14 April 2008 at 12:57am
	Believer: Past, present, and future -- *all three of them are equal components that make up time* If you would like to present an example, then the example should justifiably show what to want to say. The concept of time has been the matter of long discussion and will be. In fact you can not even apply this definition to time. I can say the time (you are talking about) is a quantity which is scaled and measured from movement. So the movement makes up time and the time makes up past, present and future. On the other hand, past- present and future are apparently not equal components. *Believer: “Which is more powerful? Actually dpends on the person- Are you stuck in the past, look to the future, think only of the present.”* Another contradiction!! Your ideology commits numerous contradictions. From one side you say past, present and future are equal components and from the other side you say their power depend on what people think of them. The more you stick to this doctrine the more you have to commit contradictions. Edited by myahya - 14 April 2008 at 9:48am
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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 14 April 2008 at 4:49pm
	LOL!! There are no contradictions.. You guys are a hoot. LOL! There are all kinds of examples in our world. I bet if you actually thought about it you could come up with an example too. I think the problem may be that if a Muslim says, ok I understand what you are saying, but I don't believe that GOD manifests in that way is that Islam will fails.
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 14 April 2008 at 5:00pm
	believer, to you be yours and to us is our belief. For us God does not come in the shape of a man, elephant or a monkey. Those are his creations not his manfestations. Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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myahya Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 222	Posted: 15 April 2008 at 12:33am
	Beleiver, I am not sure if I understand what you mean by “manifestation”. If manifestation means what I know in Arabic “Aayah”, then everything in worlds is a manifestation of Allah (swt) which may show some of His attributes and abilities according to His will. However, manifestation doesn’t mean that an existence can take part in Allah (swt) so that without that particular existence He misses a thing or changes or becomes divided and so on.
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Nausheen Female Islam Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 10 January 2001 Location: Japan Online Status: Offline Posts: 4146	Posted: 15 April 2008 at 1:28am
	*Originally posted by believer* husband and wife in a marriage, both are people, both hpoefully have equal duties in the family, yet there has to be a head of the household. Perhaps that head is the woman, if you are not a muslim since you made fun of Israfi's statement ... interesting comments!!
	Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.
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Nausheen Female Islam Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 10 January 2001 Location: Japan Online Status: Offline Posts: 4146	Posted: 15 April 2008 at 1:42am
	*Auzubillahi Minash Shaitan ir Rajeem,* *Bismillah ir Rahman ir Rahim,* Why should one confine their Illah into an equation? He is the creator and we the created. Everything other than Him is created, then how is it possible that He and something from His creation can become one, in unity - nauzubillah!! Then, jesus (alihe salam) went to hell for the attonment of the sins of mankind -- do you beleive in this too? if so, then according to your equation, a portion of God was cast in hellfire - is that true? Jesus (alaihe salam) also died on the cross - was resurrected. What god would die and will be * resurrected ** Perhaps I am mixing some sectarian beliefs withing christianity - you know better than I do. PS: Israfil, in a long time, saw some very good posts from you. Jazak Allahu Khair.
	Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.
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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 16 April 2008 at 4:43pm
	Nausheen- You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. I am saying though that GOD is all powerful and capable of doing such. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, One True GOD. 1 Peter 3 18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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