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Quote Community Replybullet Posted: 01 July 2005 at 3:12pm
I recently talked to some mormon missionaries, i asked them concerning the claim made by Herjihad about God being on a planet, they said that they believe there is a planet that is nearest to God in respect of His will. This means they believe the inhabitants of that planet are nearer to God because they are more submitted to His will then the people on this planet. It reminds me of the bible verses that says "Thy kingdom come Thy will be done, on earth as is in heaven". In heaven they are submitted to His will, like the angels for instance, on earth there are degrees of submission to His will, there are those who start and submit to His will by implementing the commands of the koran, leaving what He dislikes and doing what He likes, working to gain the peace with Him, and in submission to His will there are grades. The koran tells us that His (saleheen)fit slaves/righteous slaves will inherrit the earth. So only, those who worked to gain His peace by submission to His will, will remain, and those who do not lead their ownselves to ruin, because He it is who is The Inheritter(Al Warith) just literally watch and see, be a witness for Allah and be thankful to Him, only the disbelievers are ungrateful. Allah, to Him belongs ALL power, Al Azeez, The Powerful, Al Hakeem, The Wise.

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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2005 at 6:56am

Bimsillah,

The thing to remember, Community, is that knowledge is hidden in the Mormon faith.  When the men go through the different levels of priesthood, they are given access to more of the secrets that the Mormon's have.  Women are given some as they go through various rites in the temple, but they are kept much more in the dar,

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Quote Community Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2005 at 10:04am

This missionary said that everything they say should be examined by the individual if it is true or not, he held truthfulness as being very important, that one should ask God for guidance and to reveal to him what the truth of a matter is, If it is truely as you say that mormons keep things secret on purpose then i would think that it is wrong to keep knowledge hidden, but if it means that there are secrets which are unraveled as one grows in faith then i think this is a truth, because God has secrets that some of His slaves are made to know and some who are not.

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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2005 at 10:31am

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I recently talked to some mormon missionaries, i asked them concerning the claim made by Herjihad about God being on a planet, they said that they believe there is a planet that is nearest to God in respect of His will. This means they believe the inhabitants of that planet are nearer to God because they are more submitted to His will then the people on this planet. It reminds me of the bible verses that says..........

My dear  bro community,

What do you think who these inhabitants of other planets are? Are they angels or Jinns or what? As a Muslim, I don't think heavens implies another planet. What do you say?

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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2005 at 10:37am
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............., but if it means that there are secrets which are unraveled as one grows in faith then i think this is a truth, because God has secrets that some of His slaves are made to know and some who are not.

My Dear Bro Community,

The importaI don't think your analogy is correct as important point in here is as who reveals the secret in case of these missionaries of mormons? God or the Chief priest? 

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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2005 at 11:09am
This type of belief is not really bizarre and shouldn't be news to anyone becuase in some gnostic scriptures it is said that God, the Lord of this planet is a small "child" and that the greater beings are his parents whom are considered light of all lights and that this planet (or uiverse)  was caused through the childishness of God. Quite bizarre dont you think?
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Quote Community Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2005 at 4:23pm
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I recently talked to some mormon missionaries, i asked them concerning the claim made by Herjihad about God being on a planet, they said that they believe there is a planet that is nearest to God in respect of His will. This means they believe the inhabitants of that planet are nearer to God because they are more submitted to His will then the people on this planet. It reminds me of the bible verses that says..........

My dear  bro community,

What do you think who these inhabitants of other planets are? Are they angels or Jinns or what? As a Muslim, I don't think heavens implies another planet. What do you say?

Pleas take time to read all of this, I do not claim their belief in this planet is true or not as of yet, Allah has all the knowledge, some of it is evident and some of it is hidden, but i do not exclude the possibility of another planet with living beings to exist, if we look at the koran we find a verse that speaks about living creatures or atleast a living being out there, in chapter al shura, the constultation we find this verse 42:29 And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them: and He has power to gather them together when He wishes. 

What has captured my attention a while ago is the refference in the koran to the star Sirius which is the brightest star seen from earth(light), and it's connection to the destruction of Aad and other peoples, we find this in chapter Annajm, The Star 53:48 And That it is He Who gave wealth and satisfied(the people); 53:49 And That He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star); 53:50 And that it is He Who destroyed the (powerful) ancient 'Ad (people),53:51 And the Thamud so they did not remain.  

Where the interperters of the koran got the refference "the mighty star" from and why they put it between brackets i do not know, but in arabic Sirius is al shi'ra, al shu'ara means those who feel, the poets since sha'ara means to feel or sence, and maybe also something that has to do with it is the word sha'r which means hair in arabic. You can see this star if you live in the the United States on the western horizon. If you look to the west when the sun is setting, the first star you see is Sirius, the dog star as it is called in the west.

As for the people of Aad they were destroyed by a furious wind, and as for Thamud they were destroyed by a blast(?), literally a loud scream or sound!.

chapter the journey by night al israa 17:16 When We decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life and yet transgress; so that the word is proved true against them: then (it is) We destroy them utterly.

I just recently saw a documentary about UFO's and since i never seen one,i think it is more of a hoax then real.This documentary claimed the UFO idea was actually nourished by the US Airforce during the cold war, as to cover up for their experiments with the U2 spy plane, they did not want the Soviets to know about it so they put articles in magazines and news papers about UFO sightings. It became a hysteria which was not the intent of the US airforce. Then i heard the name Dropa, this is supposedly a place in China where they claimed they found remains of aliens and strange disks with holes in the middle, they have no evidence for this. Some say the government is covering it up and actually sent the remains and disks to Russia. In the news papers there were reports of a tribe living there, the Dropa people who were oddly short, some of them not taller then 1 meter or 3 feet, the government blamed this phenominon as the cause of polluted drinking water. There is much pollution in China so it would not surprise me, but what does suprise me is the name of this place in China "Dropa", Drop is english it means to "comedown"basically, some claim aliens mixed with the dropa people and that is why they were so short, i do not know if this is true but i hope you understand me when i atleast find the name Dropa an interesting name, and then the "Dogon" spelled backwards "nogod" this tribe claims to have had contact with beings from another planet, a planet near the star Sirius. They have a star map of Sirius and planets close to it which can not be seen by the naked eye, some claim they have been contacted by Europeans who told themwhat they knew about Sirius and that they mixed this into their culture, but nevertheless The "Dogon" tribe exists atleast before islam was introduced in Mali, they did not become muslim but kept to their ways, so this is atleast what, 300 years? So for more then 300 years the name "Dogon" exists and the name Dropa exists probebly even longer. Some people nowadays write books about Aliens being gods, so could it be that the name Dogon(nogod) is their way to make clear they are not? and Dropa a refference that they actually did "come down" (drop) in that specific place? strange refference to english which is now the world language do'nt you think?

I think UFO's are partially a hoax, made by people who profit from people being misguided, the misguidance is that these people are tricked into believing there are UFO's and aliens because they do not want to face the reality on earth as it is because they have come to see it as a hopeless situation, and so they look to the sky, and are quick to believe UFO's and aliens exist when they are told stories. Those who made up the hoax probebly laugh at them secretly,then i remember these verses and others like it and connect it to these who try to deceive people speaking of encirclement with that which they used to mock at.

11:8 If We delay the penalty for them for a definite term, they are sure to say, "What keeps it back?" Ah! On the day it (actually) reaches them, nothing will turn it away from them, and they will be completely encircled by that which they used to mock at! Chapter Hud.

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39:48 For the evils of their Deeds will confront them, and they will be (completely) encircled by that which they used to mock at!

26:6 They have indeed rejected so they will know soon (enough) the truth of what they mocked at!

Allah connects the star Sirius "Al Shi'raa" to wealth and satisfaction, and to destruction of Aad and thamud, Lets agree on this, that He did this in wisdom...



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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2005 at 5:18am
Again, my dear bro Community, kindly see what my question is referring to. I have not argued about the possibiltiy of life on another planet as it is totally a different topic. Therefore not to go out of the topic, I shall repeat your comments here "This means they believe the inhabitants of that planet are nearer to God because they are more submitted to His will then the people on this planet. It reminds me of the bible verses that says.........." It is not what the missionaries might have believed but what you are inferring from their statements especially once you also try to expand and correlate it with something from the bible as well.  I think there is a big difference between the two. With this statement, it appears that you were trying to expand their faith with your own concepts and it is here where I asked you a simple question. "how come heaven implies another planet?" With this implication, I think, one is restricting all other possiblities. Isn't it? On the more, it is one thing to go and do physical search for such possiblities in the universe through Quranic references but it is totally a different thing to make it a part of a belief. Simply because such beliefs based on extrapolational explanations from Quran are from no where except from one's own intellect. Hence, till the time they don't prove themselves from the evidential science, they are meaningless.

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