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    Posted: 19 March 2008 at 12:15am

All praises are for Allah (S).

Muslims believed all the miracle he did with God Almighty permission. He said:

I can of mine own self do nothing… (John.5:30)

Let's see what Jesus (pbuh) said about himself:

Matt.16:15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
very important statement! He is about to let you know who he is. V.16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”


Note: the word "Christ" is Messiah in Hebrew. See John 1:41 and 4:25

Matt.16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.V.18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

Jesus made his claimed "“He is the Messiah (foretold in the OT.), the Son of the living God.” 
Jesus claimed "He is the son of God" also. The bible says in: Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God.

Let's find out from Jesus (pbuh) if that is what he meant, because Adam (pubh) was the son of God. Luke3:38 “…Adam, which was the son of God.”

John10:23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep...

Jesus (pbuh) rebuts the false charge of the Jews that he was ambiguous in his claims to be the Messiah that they were waiting for. He says that he did tell them clearly enough, yet they would not listen to him. So he said:

John10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of “my hand.” 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of “my Father's hand.”

You see the exactness of the ending of the last two verses?

pluck them out of “my hand”

pluck them out of “my Father's hand.”

He is telling the Jews the "REAL UNITY" or "RELATIONSHIP" between the Father and the son. The most crucial verse -

V.30 - I and my Father are one.

One in what? "DIVINITY"? NO! ONE IN "PURPOSE" Once a believer has accepted faith, then Jesus {pbuh} sees to it he remain in faith and God Almighty also sees to it that he remains in faith. This is the "PURPOSE" of the "Father" and the "son" and the "Holy Ghost" and of "every man and every woman of faith". John said that in

John 17:21 That they "ALL" may be "ONE"; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that also may be "ONE" in "US"...I in them, and "THOU (THE DICIPLES) in “ME (JESUS)”, that "THEY (ALL) may be made "PERFECT in ONE"...

The Jews also miss the point like all Christians.

John10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 - Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33-The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34-Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35-If he (God Almighty) called them (the Jews) gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36-Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jesus said: "YOUR LAW... YE ARE GODS." He is quoting from 82 nd Psalm V.6 “I have said, YE ARE GODS: and all of you are children of the most High.”

Jesus is saying, "If He (God Almighty) called them (The Jews) God, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken (in other words - YOU CAN'T CONTRADICT ME!)." He knows his scripture; if good men, holy men, prophets of God are address as 'GODS' in our Books of authority, with which you find no fault - then why do you take exception to me?

Now! Rememder what Jesus (pbuh) said? He said:

Bless art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matt.16:15-18)

 

Peter name was “Simon Bar-jona” and Jesus (pubh) change his name to “Peter” (Little Rock). The Rock represent Peter’s message; and upon this rock I will build my church. Peter was the only one knew who Jesus (pubh) was when he said: “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,” he understood that anyone that anyone led by the Spirit of God is the Son of God.

 

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. (Romans.8:14)

 

“…the Lord hath said unto me, (David) Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee.” (Psalms.2:7)

                                           

“…Adam, which was the son of God.” (Luke.3:38)

 

Jesus (pbuh) was led by Spirit of God: “And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven…and abode upon him.” (John.1:32)

 

…I cast out devil by the Spirit of God. Then the kingdom of God is come unto you. (Matt.12:28)

 

I can of mine own self do nothing… (John.5:30)

 

…I with the finger of God cast out devil… (Luke.11:20)

 

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. (Matthew 12:50

 

 

Peter testimony when address the Jews:

 

Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, “a man approve of God” among you by miracles and wonders and sign, which God did by him in the midst of you, as you your self also know. (Acts 2:22)

 

"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him." (John 13:16)

Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.” (John 7:16)

Which Church teaches that Jesus (pbuh) is a man approve of God? “Islam”:

 

“And the gate of hell shall not prevail against it.” (Matt.16:18)

 

And We have set non but angels as guardian of the fire(Q.74:31)

Jesus (pbuh) said in

Qur'an 3: 49-51 - Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce to you what you eat and what you store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you if you are to be believers.

And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.

Mark 12:29-30 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: V.30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Matt.21:43 Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof..

 

Greek: eqnei =nation

<http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/>

 

That nation is the Ishmaelite the seed of Abraham’s (pbuh) because the Jews broke the covenant.

 

…in that they (Jews) broke the Covenant; that they reject the signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right…Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy…That they REJECTED FAITH… (Q.4:155-156).

 

Jesus (pbuh) Power:

He said:
“I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.” (John.5:30)


“For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.”  (John 12:49)

 

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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 19 March 2008 at 4:45pm

GOD is ONE, Jesus a part of the ONE, His work on earth came under the authority of the ONE.

 

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Quote truthnowcome Replybullet Posted: 19 March 2008 at 7:43pm
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GOD is ONE, Jesus a part of the ONE, His work on earth came under the authority of the ONE.

 

And according to him that part is not good! He said "Why do you call me good? No one is good
but God alone."
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Mark 10:18)

And he called the One God "Father" and he said in John 20:16-17 (AKJV) “…Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and my God, and your God.” (John 20:16-17 AKJV)

 

According to him, his Father is “OUR GOD and HIS GOD; He has a GOD, He said: “MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.”

 

 

What Jesus (pbuh) calls his God?

Matt.27:46   And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

 Link: Greek Lexicon

Definition: Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani. The Hebrew form, as Elio, Elio, etc., is the Syro-Chaldaic (the common language in use by the Jews in the time of Christ) of the first words of the twenty second Psalm; they mean "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?]

 

Taken from Greek Lexicon

 

Definition: Eloi = "my God"

Aramaic for the phrase "my God"]

 

The language of Jesus (pbuh) is  Aramaic, and both are Semitic Language include Arabic. Look at the pronunciations:

Eloi = "my God" Aramaic for the phrase "my God"

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani: The Hebrew form, as Elio, Elio, etc.,

ILoh, Alloh or Allah (Arabic for God)

Praising God Almighty in Heaven:

 

Rev.19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

 

 

Taken from Greek Lexicon

 

 [Strong’s Number: 239

Original Word: a(llhlouiÅa/

Transliteration: Alleloia

Phonetic Spelling: al-lay-loo’-ee-eh

Definition: praise ye the Lord, Hallelujah]

Does the word Alleloia” sound like Hallelujah or Alloh?

 

Jesus (S) spoke Aramaic link:  The Aramaic Language

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Christian Aramaic Literature

Although Jesus spoke Aramaic, the Gospels are in Greek, and only rarely quote actual Aramaic words. Reconstruction of the Aramaic background of the Gospels remains a fascinating, but inordinately difficult area of modern research.

Biblical Aramaic

Aramaic displaced Hebrew for many purposes among the Jews, a fact reflected in the Bible, where portions of Ezra and Daniel are in Aramaic. Some of the best known stories in biblical literature, including that of Belshazzar’s feast with the famous "handwriting on the wall" are in Aramaic.

 

Jewish Aramaic Literature

Aramaic remained a dominant language for Jewish worship, scholarship, and everyday life for centuries in both the land of Israel and in the diaspora, especially in Babylon.

Among the Dead Sea Scrolls, the remains of the library of a Jewish sect from around the turn of the Era, are many compositions in Aramaic. These new texts also provide the best evidence for Palestinian Aramaic of the sort used by Jesus and his disciples.

Since the Jews spoke Aramaic, and knowledge of Hebrew was no longer widespread, the practice arose in the synagogue of providing the reading of the sacred Hebrew scriptures with an Aramaic translation or paraphrase, a "Targum" In the course of time a whole array of targums for the Law and other parts of the Bible were composed. More than translations, they incorporated much of traditional Jewish scriptural interpretation.

 

"Palestinian Aramaic of the sort used by Jesus and his disciples."

If the disciples used Aramaic it woun't be questionable why the bible was not writter in Aramaic since they supposed to wrote it and that is their mother language?

Find out word used for "God" in Aramaic, just click on this link and type the word "God". Link: Aramaic Lexicon and Concordance

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Pronunciation:

(Eastern) AaLaH
(Western) AaLoH

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Quote truthnowcome Replybullet Posted: 27 September 2008 at 2:52pm
All Praises are for Allah (S)
 
I just decided to bring foward this thread and add something more to it.
 
The Testimony of Jesus (S):

 Rev.1:2 (John) Who bare record of the word of God, and of the “testimony of Jesus Christ,” and of all things that he saw. 

  Let us look at Jesus (S) testimony, remember he told the disciples: “A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.” (John 16:16)

 "Going to the Father" here is referring to the sign of Jonah.

Christians understand it to mean his death and resurrection.

But he did not go to the Father: "for I am not yet ascended (5758)"

But he told Mary Magdalene to tell the disciples he did: "I ascend (5719)" already died and resurrected. Read the entire verse:

Greek John 20:17  Jesus saith unto her, Toch me not; for I am not yet ascended (5758)" to my Father: but go to my bretheren, and say unto them, I ascend (5719) unto my Father, and your Father; and my God, and your God. 

“Ascended” it mean, Going up. But he was standing just in front of Mary Magdalene. So that statement does not mean going to Heaven, he was referring to what he has told the disciples earlier in John 16:16(KJV) A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.”

 Let us read it in context as we can see some of the disciples were enquiring what he meant: 17Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, “Because I go to the Father?”
 18They said therefore, What is this that he saith A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.

Now, Jesus (S) explained: 

19Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, “A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?”

 In V.20 to 33, Christians understand to mean “the death and resurrection.” So, when he said:Because I go to the Father” that is referring to his death. It read as follows: “20Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
 21A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow,
because her hour is come:
but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
 22And ye now therefore have sorrow:
but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.”
 

 28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

 32Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
 33These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Which “hour” he is talking about? The “hour” of “going to the Father”

  As I have pointed out before, Christians understand this statement: Because I go to the Father” to mean “the death and resurrection.” We Muslims understand it to mean the sign that was promises to the Jews when Jesus (S) said in Matt.12:40 :For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the wale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”.

Did Jonas die in the wale belly? No! He [Jesus (S)] went to Geth-sem-a-ne and pray asking God Almighty to change the situation.

   Matt.26:35-39 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little farther, and fell on his face. And prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou will.

 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. (Luke 22:43)

  Jesus (S) said, “My soul” and not “flesh”- not his human side but his spiritual side- soul.

He said in John 16: 32:  Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is “with me”.

 Also in John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

  If the Father is “with him and in him”, what is the purpose of “sending an angel?” Do angels strengthen God? Or why the angel has to strengthen Jesus (S) when all power was given unto him? The angel was assuring him what is going to happen; and what happen? He did not go to the Father (died)!  Greek John 20:17  Jesus saith unto her, Toch me not; for I am not yet ascended (5758)" to my Father: but go to my bretheren, and say unto them, I ascend (5719) unto my Father, and your Father; and my God, and your God. 

 

 And this is what it says in Rev.1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from “him” which is, and which was, and which is to come; “and” from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; V.5And’ from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness Rev.1: 4-5

  So who verse 4 is talking about, Jesus (S)? No! Verse 5 says,“‘And’ from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness…”

  Jesus (S) was only a “faithful witness.” How Christians didn’t see that?

Rev.1:5 continue: …and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

That is a concoction. According to Jesus (S) testimony above, he didn’t die.

Rev.1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

  By follow his true teachings.

 Rev.1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

“and every eye shall see him, they also which pierced him” That is another concoction. What is more evident is “they also which pierced him will see him” Are they still existed?

 

Rev.1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Who is this, Jesus (S)? No! This verse tie into Rev.1:4

(Brackets added)

Rev.1: 4 …Grace be unto you, and peace, from “him” which is, and which was, and which is to come (on judgment Day); “and” from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; V. 5 “And” from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,

(1)          from “him” which is, and which was, and which is to come

(2)          “and” from the seven Spirits which are before his throne

(3)          “And” from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,

 Let us find out who really is on this throne.

Revelation 4:2  And immediately I (John) was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev.4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

 Rev.4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

 Rev.4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

 Rev.4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

 Rev.4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Who created all things? The one that sits on the throne:

Revelation 5

 Rev.5:1 And I saw in the right hand of “him that sat on the throne” a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

You see that? The One that sits on the throne has a book, and what he did with it? Let’s find out.

(Brackets added)

Rev.5:7And he (the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him (God Almighty) that sat upon the throne.

 Who took the book out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne? The Lamb! And who is sitting on the throne? God Almighty!

Nothing new! It’s all in Revelation 1:1

Rev.1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (Almighty) gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

“For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." (John 12:49)

And who was Jesus (S)? Revelation 1:5 says, “…Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness…”

 

Br. Zainool Husain

 



Edited by truthnowcome - 28 September 2008 at 2:44pm
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