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Quote imp87 Replybullet Posted: 17 March 2008 at 8:56am

Seekshidayath:

As'Salamu Alaikum,

Imp87, as dp75 said we need not dedicate a day for celebating Prophet's B'day. It does n't mean u stop going to mosque or discuss of Prophet Muhammad { sallal lahu alahi wasallam } that day. It all depends of intention. If you intend to listen them to refresh your Imaan and learn from the seerah, then its Ok. Secondly , in such gatherings of Mawlid, most of the people {Pls note most of the people not all } exaggerate our Prophet so it may lead to shirk. Infact masjids are the best places to learn deen.

Note: not most of the people do that! most go there to learn and no not commit the shirk you are talking about. I do not care what a handful of people do, stop hand picking a few wrongers and blaming every act that you can not accept.

And read my post properly, I did not say we dedicate a day like that (a Bday), but I am asking what is wrong with going to it, just because it is, or happens to fall on that so called day. As you said there is nothing wrong to go mosque to learn! on these so called days.

If any of you are concerned about it so much, then ask your local imams, but actually you all seem to know the intentions of every man and why they go to these meetings, so go to your mosques, make a day there where you can talk about prophets s.a.w life without “committing shirk”, you might actually divert people from real “shirk” then.

I hope you all realize one day that you are taking peoples sins upon yourselves by saying people commit shirk and harram by generalizing like some are doing here.

And please, the average Muslims knows the difference between Allah c.c and our Prophet Muhammed s.a.w. This is like one of the madhab topics, never goes anywhere, so have fun im out.

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Quote dp75 Replybullet Posted: 17 March 2008 at 12:06pm

I never said that going to the masjid and talking about the life of the Prophet(saaws) is shirk, I said that the idea of birthday celebrations and if you take the time to look at the history comes from shirk.  Celebrating birthdays comes from shirk.  I have seen some Masjids call this day EID, the Prophet(saaws) said we only have TWO Eids so how can someone now say we have three?  It's Bidah, the Prophet(saaws) said all bidah in the deen is in the fire.  So just because an act seems good doesn't mean it is good.  Can we pray 7 rakahs for Isha instead of 4?  It is more prostration and more bowing but no one would say this is okay will they? 

What does Mawlid mean?  I have been told it means birthday, is this true, can anyone confirm this?  So if the Masjid is promoting a night of lectures on EID Al-Mawlid Nabi, does this not mean celebrating the birth of the Prophet(saaws)?  This should not be encouraged.  What should be encouraged is to give lectures monthy or weekly and invite the Muslims community to the Masjid.  Or you can do what the Prophet(saaws) actually did and that is give a brief lecture after the salat.  Now of course that will only benefit the Muslims that go to the Masjid but like I said have lectures on a monthly or weekly or bi-weekly basis and invite.  Don't say once a year will have a lecture on the day we believe the Prophet(saaws) was born. 

The problem with doing it this day is to say it is his birthday and whenver you go to the Masjids you will hear Imams say this.  We should have days throughout the year invite the community to the Masjid not just once a year.  Maybe only a few will come but at least those few will continue to hear about what Islam is and insha'Allah Allah will open their heart. 

Bidah in worship is haram and this is from the Prophet(saaws).

If someone can provide evidence from Quran and Sunnah I am all for it but there isn't any.  No one can even provide evidence from the Companians(raa) or the scholars after them. 

I understand it is good to get Muslims into the Masjid and maybe their heart insha'Allah will open up but doing it the wrong way is not the right way.  We have to do things according to Islam wether that attracts people to Islam or not it is not our job, our job is to present Islam and that's all.  Allah has completed our religion, who are we to add to it?

If people want to do this don't say Islam says it's okay or it is a part of the deen because many Imams do that and this is wrong.  You are fooling people that have limited knowledge in the deen and it just confuses them.

 



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Quote dp75 Replybullet Posted: 17 March 2008 at 12:29pm
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Seekshidayath:

If any of you are concerned about it so much, then ask your local imams, but actually you all seem to know the intentions of every man and why they go to these meetings, so go to your mosques, make a day there where you can talk about prophets s.a.w life without “committing shirk”, you might actually divert people from real “shirk” then.

 

 

I did that and the answer I got was he showed me a fork and asked me to provide evidence where in the Quran or Sunnah it says to use this.  Of course this makes absolutely no sense since using a fork has nothing to do with ibbadah, neither does technology, bidah(inovations) in technology is okay but no matter how many times I said this to him he continued to tell me everyone does bidah.  So you can't get a true explanation or one that even makes sense if you ask because there is no evidence for it so they will come up with anything. 

Another Imam I asked he started discussing about how the Imams in Mecca and Medina during their khutabahs are talking about slaughtering animals while Muslims all over are dying.  So his point is why stop Muslims from doing this.   You see no evidence at all when you ask all the replies you will get back will not even be logical accoriding to Islam but yet will fool ignorant Muslims. 

I specifically asked him if it was okay according to Islam and the question was avoided and this Imam is considered a Scholar. 

 



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Quote Aminah07 Replybullet Posted: 17 March 2008 at 4:14pm

Assalamu'Alaikum br's and sr's,

Well I'd just like to add that on one of my first trips to Egypt many years ago it just happened to be during the Prophets(pbuh) birthday.

In Egypt they do make surgar candy statues for the kids I couldn't really tell of what but it looked like the kids enjoyed them. There was a parade in the cities we were further out and our family just got together read Quran and had a nice meal along with our regular daily events.

I was surprised I hadn't expected it but I think it's what you do with your time.

Over there everyone works 6 days a week and the kids go to school year round so if the government wants to give everyone a day off and you choose to read Quran and have a nice meal with your family I don't see anything wrong with it...We do the same thing here in the US on Thanksgiving.

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Quote Truth_light24 Replybullet Posted: 17 March 2008 at 6:52pm
In everything that we do is base on intention and only Allah can know that... In every deeds that we do we should always watch out not to commit SHIRK. Shirk is a sin Allah wont forgive unless you repent from it and those committing it and die in that state, Jahannam is his final abode...Quran 4:48 

"Verily, Allâh forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allâh in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin."



Islam is a moderate religion. The Prophet said:

Ibn Mas'ud reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Those who make things hard for themselves will be destroyed." He said it three times. [Muslin] 

Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The deen is easy. Anyone who makes the deen too hard on himself will find it becomes too much for him. So aim for what is right, follow a middle path, accept the good news of the reward for right action, and seek help [to reach your goal by being constant in worshipping] in the morning, evening and some of the night."[al-Bukhari]

Allah says, "Ta Ha. We did not send down the Qur'an to you to make you miserable," (20:1)

and the Almighty says, "Allah desires ease for you; He does not desire difficulty for you." (W2:184; H2:185)



So lets not make it hard on us..Just avoid SHIRK that will lead us to JAHANNAM and make Allah angry and wont have His Mercy on us. Muslim do good deeds purposely to please Allah and please Him we should be.....ameen.





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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 17 March 2008 at 9:24pm

I am going to edit my January 21st post on Moharram  a similar thread for this one!

 

I would disagree with “ The celebration of the birthday of the Prophet is one of those "Contemporary Innovations".

It started some around 11th century Fatimid Egypt and has gone through various versions in different Muslim lands.

But the way the date and calendar being used I would agree that the Muslims involved in this are totally ignorant of basic rules in the say totally ignorant way of doing this occasion; involvement of a bunch Islamic rulers being  part of this notwithstanding!

 

And if I tell you pull your driver’s license how many would read the birthday in Lunar dates, I bet it would be none of you guys! The celebration of birthdays is not unknown amongst the immigrant Muslims’ children at least in the west! And none would use Lunar dates cuz it is not part of the recorded birth information.

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Now how can you go along the Prophet’s birth day by a system that doesn’t repeat the same day and conditions on yearly basis but takes 36.5 years to do that! Look at the sample chart below:

And the celebration of his birthday wasn’t done for say for almost four hundred years!

Not that people stopped praying Daroods in salaats in those four centuries! 

 

It hardly phases to the multitude who can't think on their own and will have a party for anything! Folks are getting ready for the Milad party cuz  some select Islamic centers and now even some Halal restaurants have  sent  fliers that  12th of Rabi ulAwwal is here again and it will be on March 20th for the Sunnis and 17th of Rabi'-ul-Awwal for
(Shi'a) dates on Solar Year

             Sunni                 Shia

2008    March 20         March 25

2009    March 9           March 14

2010    February 26     March 3

2011    February 15     February 20

2012    February 4       February 9

2013    January 24        January 29

& in 2025    September 4

Do you see the 2025 weather condition of the day went totally opposite from a Spring day to Fall day in 18 years time span.

 All I can say the most numskulls can’t see this cuz the pobres are illiterate without the faculty of seeing things in their proper perspective. This being heliocentric world than the geocentric and the religious people's mindset and the moon dates being every thing. I bet some of them still think the earth is flat. I would love to celebrate his birth day if it was known for certain on the calendar we live our lives by!

Now take the case of Imam Hussain’s martyrdom that happened in the middle of hot summer and you know the Shiit did the memorial a couple of months back  in the middle of  winter! Isn’t that a moronic closed mind that it has to be in Mohrram cuz they only knew the Lunar calendar then! They have turned a day's event into a event like the revelation of Quraan in Ramadan!

For God sake how is it possible to have a self flagellation procession during snow and sleet storm in middle of the winter season at least in northern hemisphere?(Let's take city of Chicago) How can they be such knuckleheads listen all the Majalis and fake  expressions of thirst.  I have seen these immigrants  who are so close minded as are their folks in the subcontinent or ME! And we talk about the Christians!

Conversely the revelation of Quran in lunar month of Ramadan and that month a becoming period of fasting to be universal! It was such superbly fantastic thing to do that it is mind boggling! And I don’t think most Muslims have understood the concept as yet even after their diaspora!

It is such a just system that He gave to the Muslims cuz at the time only Allah being the creator knew how our heliocentric system is designed and how the humans are scattered around the globe contrary to the Catholic church's original teaching that either the earth was flat or the world was geocentric!

This way the Muslims as we see them now living almost in every part of the globe can enjoy the Ramadan under the equalization principle northern hemispheres fast durations with southern hemisphere cuz the lengths of the fast varying according to locations in respective hemispheres in opposite seasons in the prevailing weather conditions!

It is just an amazing setup with most people not realizing this fact! Allah distributes his blessings thru Ramadan month varying by 10 days through all the seasons around the globe and on the average. The Muslims get two rounds of it if the age is averaged around 72 years!
Subahnallah!

IF some one can explain this to a disbeliever it should be enough evidence about the veracity of Islamic faith!

So far the this bidah thing is concerned I think the Muslims after becoming colonized and losing the freedoms and respect we shouldn't make such abig deal out of it! The colonial masters doing one thing or another to degrade our Prophet from the place of honor! Does it really matter having a party to sing few Nasheeds/ naats tell stories about his seerah etc come to think of it!

It about time to do some heavy research and mark it on the calendar! So we don't have to be told every year by a flier for the party.
And stop rotating it through the calendar, it is too confusing a concept for our children that
their birth day comes same time every year and Prophets' moves back by ten days

Is it a case of Cognitive dissonance or Double think which is it? or both



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Quote poga Replybullet Posted: 18 March 2008 at 5:36am
Originally posted by Sign*Reader

I am going to edit my January 21st post on Moharram  a similar thread for this one!

I would disagree with “ The celebration of the birthday of the Prophet is one of those "Contemporary Innovations".

It started some around 11th century Fatimid Egypt and has gone through various versions in different Muslim lands.

But the way the date and calendar being used I would agree that the Muslims involved in this are totally ignorant of basic rules in the say totally ignorant way of doing this occasion; involvement of a bunch Islamic rulers being  part of this notwithstanding!

And if I tell you pull your driver’s license how many would read the birthday in Lunar dates, I bet it would be none of you guys! The celebration of birthdays is not unknown amongst the immigrant Muslims’ children at least in the west! And none would use Lunar dates cuz it is not part of the recorded birth information.

!
Now how can you go along the Prophet’s birth day by a system that doesn’t repeat the same day and conditions on yearly basis but takes 36.5 years to do that! Look at the sample chart below:

And the celebration of his birthday wasn’t done for say for almost four hundred years!

Not that people stopped praying Daroods in salaats in those four centuries! 

It hardly phases to the multitude who can't think on their own and will have a party for anything! Folks are getting ready for the Milad party cuz  some select Islamic centers and now even some Halal restaurants have  sent  fliers that  12th of Rabi ulAwwal is here again and it will be on March 20th for the Sunnis and 17th of Rabi'-ul-Awwal for
(Shi'a) dates on Solar Year

             Sunni                 Shia

2008    March 20         March 25

2009    March 9           March 14

2010    February 26     March 3

2011    February 15     February 20

2012    February 4       February 9

2013    January 24        January 29

& in 2025    September 4

Do you see the 2025 weather condition of the day went totally opposite from a Spring day to Fall day in 18 years time span.

 All I can say the most numskulls can’t see this cuz the pobres are illiterate without the faculty of seeing things in their proper perspective. This being heliocentric world than the geocentric and the religious people's mindset and the moon dates being every thing. I bet some of them still think the earth is flat. I would love to celebrate his birth day if it was known for certain on the calendar we live our lives by!

Now take the case of Imam Hussain’s martyrdom that happened in the middle of hot summer and you know the Shiit did the memorial a couple of months back  in the middle of  winter! Isn’t that a moronic closed mind that it has to be in Mohrram cuz they only knew the Lunar calendar then! They have turned a day's event into a event like the revelation of Quraan in Ramadan!

For God sake how is it possible to have a self flagellation procession during snow and sleet storm in middle of the winter season at least in northern hemisphere?(Let's take city of Chicago) How can they be such knuckleheads listen all the Majalis and fake  expressions of thirst.  I have seen these immigrants  who are so close minded as are their folks in the subcontinent or ME! And we talk about the Christians!

Conversely the revelation of Quran in lunar month of Ramadan and that month a becoming period of fasting to be universal! It was such superbly fantastic thing to do that it is mind boggling! And I don’t think most Muslims have understood the concept as yet even after their diaspora!

It is such a just system that He gave to the Muslims cuz at the time only Allah being the creator knew how our heliocentric system is designed and how the humans are scattered around the globe contrary to the Catholic church's original teaching that either the earth was flat or the world was geocentric!

This way the Muslims as we see them now living almost in every part of the globe can enjoy the Ramadan under the equalization principle northern hemispheres fast durations with southern hemisphere cuz the lengths of the fast varying according to locations in respective hemispheres in opposite seasons in the prevailing weather conditions!

It is just an amazing setup with most people not realizing this fact! Allah distributes his blessings thru Ramadan month varying by 10 days through all the seasons around the globe and on the average. The Muslims get two rounds of it if the age is averaged around 72 years!
Subahnallah!

IF some one can explain this to a disbeliever it should be enough evidence about the veracity of Islamic faith!

So far the this bidah thing is concerned I think the Muslims after becoming colonized and losing the freedoms and respect we shouldn't make such abig deal out of it! The colonial masters doing one thing or another to degrade our Prophet from the place of honor! Does it really matter having a party to sing few Nasheeds/ naats tell stories about his seerah etc come to think of it!

It about time to do some heavy research and mark it on the calendar! So we don't have to be told every year by a flier for the party.
And stop rotating it through the calendar, it is too confusing a concept for our children that
<!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-->their birth day comes same time every year and Prophets' moves back by ten days

Is it a case of Cognitive dissonance or Double think which is it? or both
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Mr Barzakh Fitrah Ullah : Holy Prophet MUHAMMAD Sallel La Hu Aalahi Wa Sallim said
Khariji is evil Khariji is no good
Therefore it is logical this Khariji will hate the most sacred Dua and DUROOD
They hate MILAD E MUSTAFA the holy birthday party
Oh BE AQL they are the dirty people how can they know about the Pius and piety
Khajirite is the person who had shaven head and open ankle
He understood the manifest QURANIC majeja but knew not about the SHUNNATC miracle
Therefore to recognize his progeny see who is the fanatic about the AL QURAN and about SUNNAH who is mad
Because Khariji is the person who strictly adheres to AL QURAN and SUNNAH by performing the SALAH with full view ankle and hidden empty head
They will uphold QURAN and SUNNAH yet they will do what was done by theirs Khariji forefather
And theirs forefather became Khariji not for ISLAMIC Akhida but for his KUFFAR behavior
He insulted the HOLY Prophet by turning his back
He doubted who is beyond all doubt according to the ALLAH the AL HAQQ
Now to recognize his progeny see not theirs Shariatic AML but look for theirs KAFFIR hobby
See they too have NAMAZ RUJA HAJJ JAKAH but the lack the MILADUN NABI
See they follow QURANIC decrees and SUNNAHTIC Arkan and Ahkam
Yet according to the AL HADIS the all will go to the belly of the JAHANNAM
Because after ARKAN and AHKAM the only thing the differ is the MILADUN NABI and the AHLE BAITH
They are all KAFFIRS because the differ on the foundation of what wrong and what is right
So YA NABI SALAM ALAIKA
YA RASUL SALAM ALAIKA
YA HABIB SALAM ALAIKA
SALAWA THULLA ALAIKA

from SWEETSWORDS 111 [ Msot Distressed DUROOD ]

 

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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 18 March 2008 at 12:01pm
poga:
What do you smoke or chew on?
May be too much chewing of the Bangali bittle leaves, that you have to derail the threads with your Anglicized Bungali poetry!
Who are you trying to impress with this stuff?
You are  in your colonial master's lap and talk about the Kharjites, what balderdash!
Is it the Crab (Lunatic effect from the moon) sign effect that you don't pay attention to the FORUM GUIDELINES?
The forum moderators have tried but to no effect



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