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bullet Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:02pm

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Is the U.S. really a democracy today even at-least half as much as capitalists? Israel calls themselves one
Germany also calls themselves one, but are these countries really offering citizenships and equal rights? NOT

With Israel: you need to be Jewish to be a citizen, and the Rabies can refuse. With Germany: you need German Blood to be a citizen.

And when did we change over to talk about Israel and German Democracy's of current day ?  I thought you were talking about America's ?

Before we go into your dictonary for a definition of Democracy lets not forget that Americans CREATED Democracy, not Webster.

Democracy
1.     Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2.     A political or social unit that has such a government.

Yep, got that its called the Congress (House & Senate)


3.     The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

There power is there VOTES which is the way it always has been.


4.     Majority rule.

Again, the canidate with the most votes wins, majority rule.


5.     The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

Thus, everyone gets the same voting power, same publicly paid school system, equality.  This was not in the origional democracy, but we evolved our Democracy to this structure.

Nope that is not what the world seems to think no matter how many americans try to bluff them with a phony image of democracy.

Ok, lets get something correct here, Americans dont need anyone else in other countries to tell us what our democracy is, WE CREATED THE GOVERNMENT SYSTEM, have you forgotten this ?

We told OTHER countries what democracy is, not other way around.

WIth the U.S. now has a president that said he is a WAR PRESIDENT,

Sure not the 1st one, you might remember a WAR president called George Washington, ever heard of him ?  He was the 1st president, being a "war" president is nothing new.  Maybe your eledging that the 1st Democracy on earth was always a "totalitarian" government,  Is this your argument ?

and backs a homeland security that was used in Nazi Germany.

Is that right, Nazi's had a department of homeland security ? I think not.

Bush also prefers been a dictator, as well as a speech about the new world order. Nazi     

What "speech" are you refering to ?  When did Bush anounce he "prefers" a dictatorship ??

1. A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.

Prescott Bush was not a member of the Nazi Party, where are your "fact" ?  He was in a company UBC, which owned a portion of Consolidated Steel which was partially in Poland.  Uppon Hitler's takeover in Poland Hitler took the Polish parts of the Steel Company and its assets.  This was later investigated by US Government and he was not prosecuted.  Also he only owned a single share of UBC stock worth the equivilant of $750,000 dollars of todays money.  UBC owned 15 companies, Consolidated Steel was only 1.  Also note that many american companies were involved in Germany prior America's involvement in the war.  America and the rest of the world had no idea Hitler was so crazy, hindsight is much easier to see.  Also worth noting is Prescott Bush became the CHAIRMEN of the National War Fund which generated millions to help america fight Germany.

The so called National Socialist German Workers' Party turned out to be Nazis later, you do not think that its possible of the so called Democratic government to really be a masquerade to Invade other countries and use a tight security system with a to?tal?i?tar?i?an government, its happening and here.

See this is why your extreme, Bush has never declared himself a dictator nor did Bush start this War Against Terrorism, Bin Laden did.  America defended itself in removing the Taliban from power which were helping Al Queda and letting them teach terrorism in the country.  Bush isnt trying to take over the world, simply trying to make it a safer planet.  His methods are not all correct and I did not support the Invasion of Iraq, but do see how many would have.  The Senate gave the President the authority to go into Iraq, he did not do this without authorization.  The Senate and most of america was very fearful of Saddam and his intentions against his obvious enemy, America.  Again, looking back it is much easier to see the Iraq war was not the best thing to do in this war against terrorism. 

What is KEY for you to recognize is that America is not claiming these countries as its own as Nazi's did, it is holding elections and letting the people write there OWN constitution.  This is far from Imperialism which has never been known to do anything such as this.

If the U.S. was so perfect and free then why do so many people hate Bush, they bombed him with eggs in his first inauguration, the only president to of been so dissed ever., you know it and i know it that only rich people support his ideologies to protect there investments.

The "rich" people of the US are less than 2% of the population so to say they are the only Bush supporters is totaly incorrect.  As for so many people hating him, well his 1st election was the closest in US history so obviously the people who opposed him are going to be angry.  Close elections are not good for a country as it is much harder to see a clear victory.  I never said Bush was perfect, in fact i didnt vote for him either election, I voted for his opponents.

Why dont you get to know your criminal president before trying to run around on muslim websites with the idea that you can cover his trail up and make him smell like a rose., why not stop the paraqnoa desease about Islam that Germany had about Judaism when the whole mid west america suported Hitler.

Like i said, I didnt vote for him nor do i think he makes all correct decisions, but what your saying is totally radical here.  The whole midwest America supported Hitler, thats simply nuts.  Again, America FAUGHT AGAINST HITLER AND WON!!! we were not part of the Axis (of evil) but we were on the allies side.  Your twisted propoganda is what Im trying to eradicate, in not going around saying my government is perfect but you are surely saying there equal to Nazi Germany which makes me want to throw up.  That type of radical hatred spreading is exactly why so many Muslims think America is evil.  If you can draw your ties to Nazi's which are hated throughout the world then your spreading false hate for America based on lies. These kind of lies are making war worse, not closer to peace which america does desire.

Either-wise you should be helping those trying to impeach him for lying under Oath and more crimes he and Ariel Sharon are wanted for in other countries then Osama Ben Laden..

Great your another Bin Laden supporter, that explains everything.  Poor Bin Laden, having to live in caves... give me a break, if people like you would stop supporting his crazy thinking and kill him the world would be a much better place. 

When did Bush lie under Oath ???  is this another fabricated story ?

You have to be kidding to say that the U.S. is not a Nazi nation, the U.S.
government are the nazis on the rise again, and your saying exactly what
the Germans did when they did not know the nationalist Socialist party
where also Nazis in discise,

See, you need history lessons that arnt given to you by Bin Laden or his allies of lies.  Hitler gained his way to power by Hindenburg appointing him Chancellor, not by a democratic vote.  Hitler only had 38% in an election held in 1932.

Im a person who feels that under almost every condition the majority of the people are level headed, not extremists.  Even the majority of German people new better than elect Hitler to power.  This is where your logic is so far off base.  You really think Americans would elect someone like Hiter to run our country.  Your logic is deeply flawed, American HATE Hitler and would NEVER let anyone like him take control of our country.

What I have a hard time accepting is garbage propoganda people like you spread.  Do you know what an election is ???????????? that is the most central point in when a government is a Democracy or not and our election system is IN FULL WORKING ORDER!!!  How hard is it for you to soke this into your head ?

You cant accept these facts, that is why your an extremist.  Your arguments are based on propoganda and mine on factual information, thats the differance.  Anyone can make up stories.

 



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bullet Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:11pm

Originally posted by Noah

The progress you made after WWII mostly involved great scientists like Dr.Werner Von Braun. And all the other facsist, nazi murderers that came over there after the war, under diplomatic imunity. Those guys where animals, do you know what they did in germany? what the hell where you thinking guys?

Well, do you know that if those scientists were not admitted to the US they would have been admitted to someplace else, possibly Japan ?  It is true that many of them were part of the Nazi party but what you must realize is that we were still at war, and war is about technology, not who's side a single individual is on, its about the entire countries technology.  America was attacked by Japan, not the other way around.  If Japan had the nuklear scientiests of Germany do you think they would have used the bombs on the US ? of course they would have, they were the ones that wanted war to begin with, not only with us but ask the Chinese and Philopieno's what they think of Japan in WW2.  Its not a pretty thing but its what had to be done in order to advance American Technology faster than Japan could advance theres.  War is no good and no side is ever free of any bad deads, sometimes bad deads must be done in order to win the war.  Also, these scientiest's who were extremely advanced thinkers and well ahead of any others in there field in the world at the time were not allowed to bring the Nazi empire stratigy with them that is why America continued to try to find an END to the war, not to SPREAD IT as the Nazi's did.

Also look how properous Japan has been sense they made UNCONDITIONAL surrender to the USA.  We helped them advance and make there country as great as it is today.  In addition we helped Germany, Italy, and South Korea which are all very democratic countries in thanks to the US.

The big picture of Bush was ALTERED, the small one is him waving dummy, not making a Nazi Solute as much as you would like to think so.  America is all to familiar with the Nazi Solute and if the President was making that American's wouldnt stand for it!  He was re-elected and it wasnt for any Nazism you may think you see.

Furthermore, the site you referanced the picture have some really fasinating UFO pictures, have you seen any of those ships flying around ?

 

this one crashed in Russia  ">

here is one, huh, it looks like an upside down skillet lid but there sure its a UFO

your site is CRAP buddy, get some real pictures.



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bullet Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:24pm

Might I add, that America is not the country of Nazism, we are the country that ultimately STOPED Nazism from spreading into the entire world. 

What you have to credit America with is being the deciding factor in STOPING NAZI GERMANY not helping it spread.

If America was being over ran by Nazi's in the government trust me, Americans would GET THEM OUT !!  We are very familiar with what Nazi's can do. 

I suppose in your distorted radical sight you would claim that Blair is a Nazi as well ?



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bullet Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:01pm
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Noah your doing fine, but rocitreal, i am sorry to tell you that your going
out of your way for a bunch of liars here if your not one yourself,
..will you stoop this low to cover up facts here? is it worth it to put your
happiness in there hands?

In a nice way of telling you, i think you should get on with your OWN LIFE
and forget these thieves and liars who claim to practice democracy, if it
was true that they did then Al Gore should of been president., but we
knew it was Bush since 1994., even during the Reagan Administration.
So cut the lady in red typos.

Also the same figures where given in Nazi Germany for elections back
then 51 to 49% support for some so called socialists party that was really
the nazis later,       
......Same with the CIA and Bush, these creeps cheated there way into
office and lied, promised a great new millennium and later admitted they
panned to invaded iraq on no bases of evidence for WOMD., liars, you
know that allready .

So rocitreal , we do not have to play you Sadam Hussein styled cat and
mouse games here, when Bush already admitted to of set out a
totalitarian Government, not a democracy at all, only you think it is.

But its clear every time you post with your opinion that you are just
another simple person with this crazy idea that you have some skill to
penetrate the minds of others like they did to you, maybe others you
should re consider as human beings in a equal sense and stop believing
the media and the lies.

Some of us people already have the capacity to see beyond all the
technics poly-tic / ians use to suck the blood and energy of people with
rhetoric story trails like your doing by supporting the Bush Crime Family.,
so really, move on with your won life, if he goes to hell would you want to
be there too?
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bullet Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by rocitreal

Might I add, that America is not the country of
Nazism, we are the country that ultimately STOPED Nazism from
spreading into the entire world.


What you have to credit America with is being the deciding factor in
STOPING NAZI GERMANY not helping it spread.


If America was being over ran by Nazi's in the government trust me,
Americans would GET THEM OUT !! We are very familiar with what Nazi's
can do.


I suppose in your distorted radical sight you would claim that Blair is a
Nazi as well ?



Peace all

rocitreal, why do you not read my posts,
i never said the any person wanted Bush for president, or Hitler as a
leader, i said that these people are liars in the open and bullied there way
into office, are you just playing games here?
The corporate U.Ss supported Nazi Germany, a Cold financial machine
also today will protect its interest, are the people in control of these
Corporate monsters or are they out of control?

The Corporate U.S. was Hitler's number one supporters., Prescot Bush
himself financed Hitler and the WTC.


Bush and Hitler


YRrm8V0J:www.thomhartman.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php%3F/ubb/
get_topic/f/5/t/002851/p/1.html+who+supported+hitler+in+the
+u.s.&hl=en&start=1&client=safari">Look Here
, or you knew this
allready and are trying to pull the whole over people.
Why dont you just google around yourself and compare the characters in
this whole picture before jumping to conclusions that everyone is a
terrorists here when your supporting terrorism yourself.

Impeach Bush because he lies and still lies.
Impeach before the bills rise
for the Crimes


Impeach Bush Now
Unmasking a CIA Agent is Bad, Lying to Congress Worse. With Each US
Death in Iraq, the Case Against the President Grows Stronger.
by John R. MacArthur

Now that the U.S. government's chief weapons inspector in Iraq has, in
effect, confirmed an obvious truth -- that President George W. Bush and
his closest advisers promoted a non-existent nuclear and chemical
weapons threat from Iraq to justify a war -- an obvious question presents
itself: Why aren't Americans talking seriously about impeachment?

After all, Mr. Bush now stands plausibly accused of the lofty crime of
subverting the Constitution of the United States -- that is, lying to
Congress about an imminent danger to the American people in order to
collect enough votes to authorize his corporate/imperial project in Iraq.
Yet, outside of a few brave remarks from Senator Robert Graham, and the
considered opinion of Watergate stool pigeon John W. Dean, almost
nobody dares speak the "I" word.


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bullet Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:39pm

Originally posted by jibreel

will you stoop this low to cover up facts here? is it worth it to put your happiness in there hands?

Is red text a sign of a communist ?  communists use the color, this is about as much "evidence" you need to buy into a conspiricy theory.

what "facts" are you refering to ?

Also the same figures where given in Nazi Germany for elections back then 51 to 49% support for some so called socialists party that was really the nazis later,   

Hitler got 38% in an election, not 49% or 51%

    
......Same with the CIA and Bush, these creeps cheated there way into office and lied,

Let me inform you of something, the CIA is an organization that doesnt have elected officials.  They dont take "office" are you stupid ?

promised a great new millennium and later admitted they panned to invaded iraq on no bases of evidence for WOMD., liars, you know that allready .

Accually, there was tons of evidence of WMD from throughtout the world and that is exactly what the President did base the war on.  Wether it was "good" evidence is another topic entirely.  The evidence wasnt lies they made up out of the air, it was evidence that much of the world believed including the UN which is why Iraq was under santions.  Is the UN Nazi liars as well in your twisted view ?

when Bush already admitted to of set out a totalitarian Government, not a democracy at all, only you think it is.

Another quote you cant come up with here i bet.  You sure do like to put words in peoples mouths alot for someone who does not give any solid sources for anything as of yet.

stop believing the media and the lies.

accually, the US media is held LIABLE for false information, sadly thats not the case for people who spread made up crap like you.

I am astonished that they accually didnt take you to Guantonimo Prison.  Where did they catch you ?  If they were "Nazi" they wouldnt be taking prisoners, they would simply kill you and the rest they captured or make you do work in the coal mines.  Im sure you wouldnt like to accept this fact of Nazi History would you.



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bullet Posted: 22 July 2005 at 3:53pm

I suppose in your distorted radical sight you would claim that Blair is a Nazi as well ?

can you answer this question for me ??


rocitreal, why do you not read my posts,
i never said the any person wanted Bush for president, or Hitler as a
leader, i said that these people are liars in the open and bullied there way into office, 

Nope, once again your twisted, Hitler did Bully his way to power WITHOUT election but Bush was elected, twice.


The corporate U.Ss supported Nazi Germany, a Cold financial machine

ever heard of the Trading With the Enemy Act ???

Once Hitler started the war, american companies which were involved in the german economy stoped financing him.  So your saying not only the Bush family, but all of the Ford Motor company and General Motor Company as well as hundreds of other US companies are accually Nazi's to ???

The Corporate U.S. was Hitler's number one supporters., Prescot Bush himself financed Hitler and the WTC.

Another crappy half witted claim.Prescott Bush didnt own UBC nor did he give Hitler any of his personal money nor was he in the Nazi party.  Your sources are about as corrupted and distorted as you are. Thyssen was Hitlers number 1 financial supporter and was a member of the Nazi party, yet Hitler took all he had from him once WW2 started.

your sources are crapy, is that really where you get your information at the same time you call real media liars ???



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rocitreal,

Originally posted by rocitreal


Let me inform you of something, the CIA is an organization that doesnt
have elected officials. They dont take "office" are you stupid ?


For one, You called me stupid? , you just proved that
your intolerant here in these forums, you make the truth seem like it
smacked you across your face silly
., again, Do not blame
me for your disrespect towards others who do not agree with you., and
you will certainly find more in the U.S. that will then myself..
Not everyone lives in a society like the one you do that puts materialism
between them and everyone else ., and since when do they make you a
better person?

If the idea that the U.S. is compared to a murder racist cult like the nazis
scares you so much to admit it, then why not do more research to
compare your googling around here about the SKULL and BONES
organization and nazi genetic lab research,

think about this
[2.96] And you will most certainly find them the greediest of
men for life (greedier) than even those who are polytheists; every one of
them loves that he should be granted a life of a thousand years, and his
being granted a long life will in no way remove him further off from the
chastisement, and Allah sees what they



Someone please BAN this troll for calling myself and millions of others
who have a right to there opinions "STUPID", is it not against forum rules
to be intolarant here?

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