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bullet Posted: 04 March 2008 at 11:31am

 

 For Seeks: Your question, where did I read that about Kufr. It is difficult to remember now. But may I ask you few things:

 1. Is Shaitan a kaafir or not?

 2. Is he an enemy or not?

 And more: 3. Was Abu jehl a kaafir or not?

 4. Was he an enemy or not?

 It may solve my problem. But I will try to follow up soon. You please answer the four questions exactly, briefly. Thanks. Will that be alright for you please?



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bullet Posted: 04 March 2008 at 3:09pm

Yes, Satan is a Kafeer! Satan is a rebellious creature against Allah, basking in glory of the matter he was made of and showing arrogance to man, who was made of clay. . Satan’s refusal to prostrate himself to Adam was not induced by monotheism and love for God; rather, it was due to arrogance.

Yes, Satan is an enemy of men ! The mere fact that Satan asked God to grant him immortal status in this life, so that he could concentrate on his vendetta against man. In so doing, he wants to topple man from the lofty station God had put him in and rouse in him the struggle between good and evil. He spares no effort in tempting man to incline towards doing what would in the end spell disaster for his being, by dampening down man’s spirit .

Yes, Abu Jahl is a kafeer. He doest believe in the Oneness of Allah and the Prophethood of Muhammad, he spits on him and the Quran, astahfirullah.. He was mentioned in the Quran:111 as one of those that will enter Jahannam together with he wife.

Yes, he was an enemy of Islam. He was up to his throat disbelieving and not just that, due to his fiery hot tempered nature and ruddy complexion, he curses the Prophet and campaigning against Islam, trying his best to stop him from teaching Islam. His wife shared the same passionate spite and cruelty against the Prophet. She used to tie bundles of thorns with ropes of twisted palm leaf fiber and carry them and strew them about on dark nights in the path in path of the Prophet.

 

And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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bullet Posted: 04 March 2008 at 6:15pm

Brother, i intended to let you know that your content shud be supported by Quran and Sunnah, or any scholar's views. Just by our own understandings, its baseless to discuss.

I wished to know, why are you concluding that only those who are enemies of Islam are disbelievers and those who are peaceful are n't. Is this your own thought. It seems to me so.  When Quran and hadith, clearly states us who are disbelievers, then why this confusion ?

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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bullet Posted: 04 March 2008 at 10:30pm

 

 We willl try to solve this riddle too, Insha Allah. Upto now you have admitted that Shaitan is a Kaafir and enemy too. Abu Jehl is a Kaafir and enemy too. Let us leave it at that for a short time and then we should look up some verses in which we are not to use our own senses and we are to follow some one else (some scholar, always). I have understood your question.

I shall try to find a suitable reply. If not found then I will admit that it is my own idea and it is my own mistake. Then I will forego my beleif about the kaafir being an enemy of Islam. Thanks. Give me enough time please.

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bullet Posted: 09 March 2008 at 12:47am
So - the wrap up...
All non-muslims burn in hellfire.
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bullet Posted: 09 March 2008 at 11:14am

Originally posted by Jamal Morelli

So - the wrap up...
All non-muslims burn in hellfire.

 Ya Jamal, Thanks for everything. I could not understand your exact question. I do not believe that all non-muslims will burn in hellfire. I also do not believe that hell is forever. The word used in Quran about life in hell is Khalideen. That means an extra ordinary long time.

 There are people of other religions. They believe in some  kind of God. They pray to their God. I believe that as long as they are peaceful and do not pick a fight with the Muslims or Islam, there is no fear for them.

 The present day Muslims have a narrow minded idea. That is a great trouble because they are themselves not on  the right lines. The Muslims have misunderstood the Quranic teachings and on top of that they think that only their Islam is the right one. All the rest are doomed. That is not so. In fact the present day Muslims are no different than the jews and the christians of old times. It is a very sad and sorry story.

 I am getting ready to show that every one is not Kafir. Only those who had been given the message of Islam and  they having understood it well then tried to oppose the message and tried to persecute the believers and went  to war against the believers, they are the Kaafirs. Others may be just nonbelievers (ghair Momin).

 A kaafir may be from the Jews or the christians or an atheist or a Hindu  but not all Jews or Hindus or christians are kaafir. A kaafir is at war against Islam.

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bullet Posted: 09 March 2008 at 4:55pm

If we are Muslims as we claimed to be, and we really believe in the Quran, then we will not question as to its veracity. But what we do here is, we base our belief in our opinion and make our own conclusion over a very important matter that has been mentioned in the Quran over and over again…and intend to misled those who have little knowledge as to what Islam and Quran is all about.

Those who worship other than Allah is 100% KUFFAR (infidel) and has committed shirk and shirk was mentioned in the Quran as an act that Allah will not forgive and when they die in that state, Jannah is taboo for them. Islam is the only way to Jannah and no other religion for that matter. Those who do not believe in 6 Articles of Faith and dont practice 5 Pillars of Islam is a KUFFAR!!!!!.and doomed to HELLFIRE...

"Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin" Quran 4:48

“Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allâh is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, then Allâh has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode . And for the Zâliműn (polytheists and wrong­doers) there are no helpers. Quran 5:72

Those KUFFAR indeed commit shirk are banned from entering Jannah and all their good deeds are useless it will not be counted in the hereafter as their hasanah:

“This is the Guidance of Allâh with which He guides whomsoever He will of His slaves. But if they had joined in worship others with Allâh, all that they used to do would have been of no benefit to them.” Quran 6:88

“And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad ), as it was to those (Allâh's Messengers) before you: "If you join others in worship with Allâh, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers." Quran 39:65

Hell is eternal and will never cease to exist. Jews claim that they will be punished in the fire for a limited time then others will take their place. But Allah has said in the Quran that what the Jews claim is a lie:

“And they (Jews) say, "The Fire (i.e. Hell-fire on the Day of Resurrection) shall not touch us but for a few numbered days." Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him to them): "Have you taken a covenant from Allâh, so that Allâh will not break His Covenant? Or is it that you say of Allâh what you know not?"  Yes! Whosoever earns evil and his sin has surrounded him, they are dwellers of the Fire (i.e. Hell); they will dwell therein forever. “ Quran 2:80-81

“Have you not seen those who have been given a portion of the Scripture? They are being invited to the Book of Allâh to settle their dispute, then a party of them turn away, and they are averse. This is because they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a number of days." And that which they used to invent regarding their religion has deceived them. “ Quran 3:23-24

Base on this ayah in the Quran, do you believe that Hell will just exist for a period of time? Paradise and Hell has been created long before Allah created all His creation and this two are the final above of those WHO WORK HARD on it and they will stay there forever.

“Truly, Hell is a place of ambush, A dwelling place for the Tâghűn (those who transgress the boundry limits set by Allâh like polytheists, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh, hyprocrites, sinners, criminals, etc.), They will abide therein for ages, Nothing cool shall they taste therein, nor any drink.  Except boiling water, and dirty wound discharges. An exact recompense (according to their evil crimes). For verily, they used not to look for a reckoning. But they belied Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, and that which Our Prophet (Peace be upon him) brought) completely. And all things We have recorded in a Book. So taste you (the results of your evil actions); no increase shall We give you, except in torment. “ Quran 78:21-30

Ya Allah, show us the right path, the path of those who have earned Your Mercy and  keep us away from the deeds of those who have earned your Wrath, Ameen


 



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bullet Posted: 09 March 2008 at 7:29pm

Ameen.

 I don't understand, when it is that clear, still there's argument over this subject. Are all those scholars, interpreters are narrow minded. If so i see only minuteman broadminded in this sense. You never presented a single verse or a hadith that supports your point of view over this subject, but were opposing our points strongly with your words. Try to accept and change your understanding when Quran and sunnah affirms it.

I remember a post of bro.Abu Zaid and an other knowledgable person discussing the term   " Khalideena fiha ". Insha-Allah shall share it here.



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