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Quote mowgli Replybullet Topic: Did he betray me?
    Posted: 22 February 2008 at 5:35pm
Assalamu'alaikum sisters,

I've been lurking on this forum for the past few hours, masha'allah you all
give excellent advice! I hope you can help me gain some perspective on
this issue:

I have recently divorced my husband through khula. It was entirely
against his wishes, he has never wanted this divorce, and is convinced
that we can make our marriage work, but I had lost faith in him after 1
and a half years of experiencing problems (8 months of that in marriage).

I saw him recently, where he convinced me to give him another chance. I
still believe that he will not be able to change, but I love him very much,
and I know he loves me too, hence I wanted to give it one more try, for
his sake.

Just before he convinced me to come back to him however, he told me he
had a 'fling' with a married woman that ended just a few days ago. He
had been talking to this woman via email to get over me, and recently this
woman had come back to his flat, where they kissed (he says SHE kissed
him) briefly. At the time I was shocked, but didn't think too much of it,
since he says the ISC had called him to tell him he was divorced a week
ago.

However, now, the more I think about it, the harder I am finding it to put
behind me. I am feeling physically sick from what I think is a betrayal. I
don't understand how he could love me as insanely as he does, and allow
another woman to touch him. Even worse, a married woman. He has
always had the strictest principles masha'allah, on things like this, but he
says our divorce has left him wondering what is the point of holding on to
his islamic principles, if the woman he was waiting for has divorced him.

I called him to tell him I could not come back to him in these
circumstances - he is distraught and making noises about ending his life,
quitting his job (the woman he had a fling with works there).

Am I being unreasonable? Can I put this behind me? He says he knows he
made a terrible mistake, and that was why he called me the next day,
crying. But that he thought we were divorced and there was no hope for
us, and that he wanted to do anything to get over me. I feel ill when I
think about them together. I believe him that it was no more than a kiss,
but I am sure it was not as chaste as he says it was.

If we really are divorced (I have not received any confirmation yet) then I
suppose he has not betrayed our marriage, but I feel he has betrayed me.
I want to get over this, but I don't know if I can ever trust him again.
Does anyone have any advice for me, it would be most gratefully received.

Jazakallakhair


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Quote Aminah07 Replybullet Posted: 23 February 2008 at 6:01am

WaAlaikum'Assalaam Sis,

I think the best advice I could give is...if he wants you back go to see an Imaam and talk about how your concerns. Also, try to get someone from your family and his to sit down with the two of you and work it out. It's not an easy question to answer for another person because as individuals we might all respond differently.

I would question his fidelity though and his current state of mind because of his decision to have a fling to help him overcome a problem/trial in his life and that is wrong. Muslims practicing their Deen shouldn't fornicate.

Also, I would be really concerned that if he's threatening to do harm to himself to win you back that's wrong. Anyone that chooses to end their own life will never go to Jannah. I would not want to be with someone alone that was not thinking clearly on such serious issues.

Insha'Allah an Imam or Scholar should intervene and determine what is going on with him before you make any life changing decisions. If you are going to resume your marriage it should be viewed as a partnership where the two of you can create a good Islamic home so that Insha'Allah you can raise a family together.

JazakAllahuKhair

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Quote Aminah07 Replybullet Posted: 23 February 2008 at 6:11am

Assalamu'Alaikum Sis,

One other thing to add and might be very important!

You said he got confirmation that the divorce is final well if that's the case under Islamic Law he can't remarry  you until you've married another man and than divorced him on mutual grounds.

You can read Surah An-Nisa it will explain everything.

JazakAllahuKhair

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Quote mowgli Replybullet Posted: 23 February 2008 at 7:47am
Wa alaikum assalam sister,

Thank you so much for your comments, they have been invaluable. I too
have questioned how I can stay with a man who lacks the strength of
character to have avoided these things. Also, I have lost respect for him
since he has talked about harming himself, and I have asked him not to
emotionally blackmail me like this.

He used to be such a strong upstanding character, I would never have
thought he would break down like this. I do not feel the same about him
because of what he has done, and partly because of this I am not sure
that I can return to him with the same degree of respect.

I also feel our relationship has been tainted with another womans
presence now, even though I know he did not go so far as to have
intercourse with her. This is the one thing I am not sure I can ever get
over, but maybe the hurt of betrayal will ease with time.

However, I thought that the remarrying thing was only true if you had had
3 irrevocable divorces? We have had only one.
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Quote Aminah07 Replybullet Posted: 23 February 2008 at 11:10am

WaAlaikumAssalaam Sis,

See that's where my level of knowledge leaves off.

You need to speak with an Imam about all of this or the service you used for the divorce.

The other thing thats been bouncing around in my head since I posted last is: you mentioned Divorce and Khula and that you initiated it? I might be wrong and you should really get the final advice from an Imam but I was under the impression that Khula was an Annulment and that only the husband could initiate the Taluqs(spelling? sorry) but than you mentioned divorce again. You might need to verify what it says on your paperwork that was sent to your husband to see just what it says for sure.

Bottom line is you have to know that the choices you make from this point on are the best ones for you and not ones made out of guilt or pressure.

JazakAllahuKhair

 

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Quote Hayfa Replybullet Posted: 23 February 2008 at 12:24pm

I agree with Aminah, you both need someone else to help you both work through these feelings and the relationship.

now he acted irrationally to "be" with anothe woman in sort of what might be termed an "emotional" time.Actually this is quite common. Not that it is "right" but actually people react without thinking. Only you can speak for you.  

What is an additional issue is his "telling" you he will hurt himself.  Now if he is saying that to get you to come back, that is emotional blackmail. And if not, then he needs help.

Also seems that he is highly emotional (and they say women are more emotional!). His reactions sugges this or he is REALLY young. I think he need guidance irreguardless of the outcome. As his behavior for himself is not good.

I have no idea bout divorce etc.. I'd seek an Iman or scholar's help.

 

 

 

 

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Quote mowgli Replybullet Posted: 25 February 2008 at 12:57pm
Sister Hayfa, you are right, he is a very emotional person. Unfortunately this
can't be explained by his age, he is 28 years old, and old enough to know
better.

Thanks for the help, I have contacted the ISC and have determined that we
are not divorced until he signs the talaq nama. If he does not sign it, they
will dissolve, but not annul the nikah.

We have decided to go for counselling, although I am not sure yet that I can
put this hurt behind me. Please pray for us, and especially for my husband.
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Quote minuteman Replybullet Posted: 02 March 2008 at 7:26pm

 

 Quite a case. The threat of killing himself is the worse. If he could kill himslef for any reason, he could kill the lady too. That is a dangerous thing. Keep in mind.

 The Khula is equal to resignation. It is surprising why it is not effective until the husband signs it. Does it mean that the lady will be left hanging around unable to remarry until the husband releases her?? No. The authorities should pronounce the annulment of marriage and set the lady free.

 This case is not for any of us. It is up to the lady who is asking here. Only she can understand and judge the matter and jump back into the dream wagon. Nobody else can judge and advise. Whatever, the decision should be firm resolute and final.

 The last words of the lady are in favor of the person as she is calling for prayers for her husband..... whom it seems she has not discarded.



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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 04 March 2008 at 9:08am

Sister I have a question (something a lot of women miss).....

If you divorced your husband and he had a "fling" with another woman how did he betray YOU? You divorced him and you in that lapse in your relationship was not committed to each other.....

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Quote mowgli Replybullet Posted: 05 March 2008 at 1:59pm
Brother Israfil, its not about whether we were married at the time, or not.
I feel like he has betrayed me emotionally. He claimed to love me so
much, how could he have done something like this with someone else?
Even though I initiated a divorce (which was not completed, therefore we
are still married, and were when he was with this woman), I could never
dream of touching another man.

The only thing I can console myself with is that he was desperate to get
over me, and put this behind him, and that is why he resorted to an email
and telephone relationship with this woman that he works with. He claims
he felt nothing for the woman, and did not initiate the physical contact.

I guess I am disappointed that he did not honour his feelings towards me.

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