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Quote rami Replybullet Posted: 28 February 2008 at 6:33pm
Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem

You are welcome to post what ever you like in the
Islamic Interfaith Dialogue
It is for Interfaith dialogue, where Muslims discuss with non-Muslims. We encourge that dialogue takes place in a cordial atmosphere on various topics including religious tolerance.

as long as it remains a discussion and doesn't simply turn into an evangelical rant you should be fine.

We cant say Allah IS love, it is an emotion not a living thing.

Love is a thing Allah chose to feel for us it doesnt dominate his personality or cloud his judgment the same way it does for us becouse we lack self control he doesnt. So saying love is his nature [as i understood the word
ontologically] is not a correct way of describing him as it is tantamount to saying he loves attachment itself which is ascribing imperfection to him as he is not in need of anything.

You cant ascribe human Qualities to god the same way as you would to a person, the way we love is not the same way he loves. You can say he "loves" in a general sence but you have to remove all forms of weakness, reliance and imperfection from your thought to try to understand the way HE loves.


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Quote Warriorofelyon Replybullet Posted: 28 February 2008 at 6:55pm
Fair enough.

So would you say Allah has always "loved".....

I guess what I mean....

As I understand Jehovah... His love is greater than I can understand...just as you have described Allah...

I guess where my confusion comes in is this...If Allah is not "Love" in his essence....I mean...If love does not describe him per se....

But instead love is a "thing" chose to "feel"... here is my question...

IF love is a thing did Allah create it? If he is beyond comparison or weakness in reference to his creation...would not "feeling" be a weakness? Ontological love would be eternal love and therefore outside the realm of "feeling" because it is literally who Allah is....

I guess I am trying to wrap my head around that...

Because if I understand Tawhid correctly...perhaps I do not... Then how could Allah who is absolutely "one" take upon himself any "thing" or attribute that is not eternally who he is?

I am DEFINETLY not setting up a debate or argument with what I have said...I am honestly trying to wrap my mind around it...I want to make sure I fairly represent Muslims in my thesis...

To often evangelicals make assumptions regarding Muslims that are not true!
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Quote poga Replybullet Posted: 29 February 2008 at 12:03am

 

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LOVE
HOLY
MERCIFUL
COMPASSIONATE...

yes ALLAH is all that and more

ALLAH is FEAR

ALLAH is PUNISHER

ALLAH is AVENGER

ALLAH is DESTROYER

why do we need to go to you to learn your FABRICATION of trinity

are we suffocating with the TRUTH

if you have any evidence what can stand on solid science bring it hare on this forum on this thread

if you want  us to visit you

first say are you men or woman and how much you charge for hour for you service and what is it you provide



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Quote Warriorofelyon Replybullet Posted: 29 February 2008 at 12:11am
hey poga,

I'm not quite sure what you are saying...

Are you saying that Allah is eternally loving..and eternally those attributes that you listed?

I will disregard your jabs...As my goal here is not to debate...but to gain an understanding...

But if you are posting to respond to what I asked....then please respond to the entire post and my question regarding things and feelings...
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Quote poga Replybullet Posted: 29 February 2008 at 12:31am

Originally posted by Warriorofelyon

hey poga,

I'm not quite sure what you are saying...

Are you saying that Allah is eternally loving..and eternally those attributes that you listed?

I will disregard your jabs...As my goal here is not to debate...but to gain an understanding...

But if you are posting to respond to what I asked....then please respond to the entire post and my question regarding things and feelings...

of course ALLAH is eternal so are all his attribute there is nothing temporary about ALLAH

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Quote Warriorofelyon Replybullet Posted: 29 February 2008 at 6:48am
So....just like the God of the Bible then...He is Love....eternally..correct?

Sorry....the imagery of love is something I think is vital....
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Quote poga Replybullet Posted: 29 February 2008 at 7:23am

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So....just like the God of the Bible then...He is Love....eternally..correct?

Sorry....the imagery of love is something I think is vital....

imagery of love in BIBLE is vital because BIBLE is pornography

imagine god and Mary

or god and Sara

in AL QURAN no imagination is needed and yet it is very vital like guiding voice of ALLAH and lost humanity

 

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Quote Warriorofelyon Replybullet Posted: 29 February 2008 at 7:39am
Originally posted by poga

Originally posted by Warriorofelyon

So....just like the God of the Bible then...He is Love....eternally..correct?

Sorry....the imagery of love is something I think is vital....

imagery of love in BIBLE is vital because BIBLE is pornography

imagine god and Mary

or god and Sara

in AL QURAN no imagination is needed and yet it is very vital like guiding voice of ALLAH and lost humanity

 



1. If you are referencing "beget" as pornography...then you are mistaken my friend. "Beget" is NOT the accurate translation of the Greek work Monogenes' which means one of a kind or unique. It has NOTHING to do with biological paternity...

2. You still have not answered my question poga....
Would this mean that Allah is love much like the Bible calls Jehovah love... Since his attributes are eternal...love would "describe" him to some degree...By that I mean he did not "love" after he created man but because his "love" is eternal he is eternally a "loving" God?

Does that make sense?
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