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Quote Iftikhar Replybullet Topic: Honour Killing
    Posted: 09 February 2008 at 10:02am

Honour Killing

Honour killing and female infanticide come from Pagan-Hindu-Judeo-Christian traditions. Hindus idolise women as Goddesses on one hand, while downgrading them on the sly at the same time. There is nothing in the Holy Quran and the Hadiths that may encourage people to kill their daughters. Infact, Islam came to abolish the dark ages of Pagan- Hindu –Judeo- Christian traditions. Islam is a matter of choice and there is no compulsion at all. It is a misconception that forced marriage and honour killing are part of Muslim culture. Forced marriage, honour killing and genital mutilation are rare practices among migrant communities. Muslim migrants are worried about institutional racism, binge drinking, drug addiction, incivility, gun and knife crimes, high rate of abortions and teen age pregnancies. An average of 20 English girls under the age of 16 falls pregnant every day. Muslim parents do not want their children to be integrated into such barbarity. Muslim women feel torn between two cultures, thanks to the British education system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. It makes their lives very confusing.

 

 The tragedy of forced marriage and honour killing could have been avoided if the poor girls were educated in a single sex state funded Muslim schools by female Muslim teachers. Educational attainment rises quite significantly if boys and girls are educated separately. The tragedies are an eye opener for all those Muslim parents who send their children to state schools where they are exposed to non-Muslim teachers who have no respect for Islamic faith and Muslim community and do not understand the needs and demands of the Muslim children. Muslim schools are crucial for Muslim children because western education makes a man/woman st**id. The hypocrisy of the Western society is clearly seen whereas an Australian Judge failed to jail nine males who admitted gang-raping a 10-year old aborigine girl in 2005, saying the victim probably agreed to have sex with them and a UNICEF Photo of the year shows, a bridegroom, 40, with his 11-year old bride in Afghanistan. In my opinion, a UNICEF photo of the year must show a nine year British girl having a baby and another photo showing a gang of teenage girls with anti-social behaviour and vomiting out side a pub, thanks to binge drinking.  Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslim schools are the solutions and not a problem. They help to strengthen community cohesion, not undermine it. Muslim schools stand as shining beacons of light, serving as one of the most crucial factors which protect Muslim children from the onslaught of Eurocentricism, homosexuality, racism and secular values and traditions.  They need to be well versed in Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time they need to be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. Muslim schools are not only faith schools but also bilingual schools. Infact, bilingualism is an asset and not a problem as perceived by the British education system. There is a positive co-relation between language and culture. English language is associated with western culture.

 

 The silent majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools but there are not enough schools to go by. The only alternative left is either British Government should introduce voucher system for parents to choose the school of their choice or designate all those state schools as Muslim community schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslims are in majority. Such schools may be handed over to Muslim educational Trusts or charities for their management. They are in a better position to educate Muslim children in accordance with their needs and demands. This demand is in accordance with the law of the land because there are state schools already managed by private companies. Muslim community is not asking for a favour. It is their legal right.

Iftikhar Ahmad

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Quote martha Replybullet Posted: 09 February 2008 at 10:15am
This thread was already started some weeks ago by yourself. Why have you chosen to re-open it and post exactly the same message as before? Please continue with the original thread
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Quote Anatolian Replybullet Posted: 11 February 2008 at 12:14am
You love to demonize Western society.... in your comfortable loft in Britain
that is.... hypocrite.
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Quote minuteman Replybullet Posted: 11 February 2008 at 3:45am

 

 Iftikhar sahib, You have explained the problem being faced by the Muslim students in Britian. There may be many Muslim students in England. I would like to know if there are any number of Hindu students in England? And Jewish students? How many? I hope there may be many of them. How they are passing their time?? Do they have their own community schools?? if this information is provided then it will be possible to understand the magnitude of the problem and some solution may be sought. Would you be able to give some answer? Thanks.

 

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Quote martha Replybullet Posted: 11 February 2008 at 4:06am

 

Brother Iftikah expressed his concerns over the lack of muslim education. I have previously replied to him with statisitics, that in the UK we have many Islamic schools. We can of course have more, but like all things it will take time.

We are a nation that tolerates all faiths and religions, and work with all ethnic groups.

I have pasted some informative links.

 

The first Hindu state school in Britain is set to open in September 2008 in the London Borough of Harrow, where about 20% of the population is Hindu. Planning consent for the Krishna-Avanti Primary School was granted by the local authority in September 2007.

The voluntary aided school will be run by the I-Foundation, a Hindu charity, in a joint venture with the International Society for Krishna Conciousness (ISKCON). It will offer 236 places and will cost in the region of £10 million. The group also wants to build a Hindu school in Leicester.

In 2007, faith schools accounted for a third of schools in England, including Jewish, Sikh, Muslim and Christian denominations. The local authority's approval for the new school follows the government's pledging of support for more religious schools where there is parental demand

http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/272_jewish_seconda ry_sch.htm   A list of Jewish schools in the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01 /31/nschools131.xml  There are approximately 127 muslim schools in the UK. This article might give Brother Iftikhar some cheery news

 

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Quote minuteman Replybullet Posted: 11 February 2008 at 7:22am

 

 Martha, you have posted some informative links ( I have yet to visit them). Let us see what Iftikhar has to say about it. I may present my views later. Many thanks.

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 14 February 2008 at 1:19pm

You love to demonize Western society.... in your comfortable loft in Britain that is.... hypocrite.

I remember, ages ago (or has it already started to sound that ancient, now?) I watched an interesting film "Stalag 17" or something like that.

Robertson Justice Junior was lined up, by the German guards, a foggy morning, along with all the other prisoners of war at that camp. That devil is reading out jokes, aloud, in the midst of it all.

A harsh German guard steps towards him. He snatches the book from his hands and shouts; "Was are you doing?"

"I am reading the Bible to my friends", replied Robertson Justice Junior (RJJ).

"You are trying to make a fool out of me" shouts the German guard.

"Is there any need to make a fool out of you, my friend" replies our RJJ. The whole crowd laughs!

Today, I look at your post, I feel like asking you, "Is there any need at all to demonise the poor west when the west is making such a good job of it?"

My friend, today, west doesn't need any help from anyone to demonise it leave aside a fine decent man like our Iftikhar Ahmed. West is doing a great job of demonising itself with all manners of her greed and criminal actions.

Where do you need anyone's help?

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Quote minuteman Replybullet Posted: 14 February 2008 at 7:34pm

 

 I read the first post by Iftikhar. It is carefully worded and explains the problem. The suggestions given by Iftikhar are good and valid.

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