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Posted: 13 February 2008 at 1:52am

Ron,

Yes you are absolutely right. Thanks for pointing it out.

However, what is your belief about John. Did he not die? Angela's reply was good, and as such one I would agree with, having once been LDS. I dont know how other Christians feel about John.

some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set

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Posted: 13 February 2008 at 4:10am

Is this the same for the mahdi you speak of? And when will he be allowed to make himself known?

I didn’t know about John and it was interesting for me. I see some similar aspects. I should say no body knows the time Mahdi (as) will be appeared. Ali (as) and the other 11 leaders have told people if anyone at anytime claims that he or she knows when Mahdi appears, they are telling a lie for sure. It can be a few seconds later, days later or many years later. His first appearance would be beside Kaaba in Mecca, and the day of his appearance will not be Ghiaamah (the last day) ...

And how does he guide people if they dont know him?

He guides people in many different ways. Remember that a visual contact is not necessary for guidance in any way, even though it can happen. There are many things to say, but in this post I would like to write one of the answers given by the sixth leader of twelve who was called Imam Saadegh (as) (Saadegh means one who always says the truth). Imam Saadegh (as) was asked how people benefit from Mahdi (as) when they do not see or know him. He answered that "it would be similar to the benefit of sun on a cloudy day when the sun is behind the clouds". One may try to imagine how would it be without the sun even on a cloudy day...

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Posted: 13 February 2008 at 1:14pm

Originally posted by martha

However, what is your belief about John. Did he not die?

Of course he died. No mortal can live 2000 years. I am astonished that alleged monotheists are so ready to attribute superhuman powers to their holy men.

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Posted: 13 February 2008 at 8:29pm

Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem

The opposite of that argument ron is that God cant give such a thing to a mortal man.

Are you limiting what god can or cant do.

Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

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Posted: 14 February 2008 at 2:28am

Originally posted by rami

Are you limiting what god can or cant do.

I don't think ron is, but my 2 cents worth is that God did create us and there's only a few of us that can get to 120 yrs let alone live for 1000 or 2000 years

anyway what happened to the topic about God and Allah in islam and Christianity ?

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Posted: 14 February 2008 at 5:47am

Originally posted by rami

The opposite of that argument ron is that God cant give such a thing to a mortal man.

God could make a mortal man into another god too, but monotheists must believe that He did not. At the very least, such an extraordinary event as conferring god-like powers on a man (or woman, e.g., the virgin birth of Christ) ought to warrant some specific mention in the Bible, and should not have to be inferred.

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Posted: 14 February 2008 at 9:16am

Originally posted by Ron Webb

Originally posted by rami

The opposite of that argument ron is that God cant give such a thing to a mortal man.

hello ron you did not came by so i am here

tell me ron who was the god who wrestle with job

awal

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Posted: 14 February 2008 at 9:27am

Ron, A monotheist never believes that a mortal is another God and can be another God. Otherwise, I would not call him or her a monotheist. But, do you really believe if a mortal lives for more than what you think is ordinary, then that mortal would be another God? Then I would say how small your God is ... !

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martha Senior Member Joined: 30 October 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1141	Posted: 13 February 2008 at 1:52am
	Ron, Yes you are absolutely right. Thanks for pointing it out. However, what is your belief about John. Did he not die? Angela's reply was good, and as such one I would agree with, having once been LDS. I dont know how other Christians feel about John.
	some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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myahya Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 222	Posted: 13 February 2008 at 4:10am
	Is this the same for the mahdi you speak of? And when will he be allowed to make himself known? I didn’t know about John and it was interesting for me. I see some similar aspects. I should say no body knows the time Mahdi (as) will be appeared. Ali (as) and the other 11 leaders have told people if anyone at anytime claims that he or she knows when Mahdi appears, they are telling a lie for sure. It can be a few seconds later, days later or many years later. His first appearance would be beside Kaaba in Mecca, and the day of his appearance will not be Ghiaamah (the last day) ... And how does he guide people if they dont know him? He guides people in many different ways. Remember that a visual contact is not necessary for guidance in any way, even though it can happen. There are many things to say, but in this post I would like to write one of the answers given by the sixth leader of twelve who was called Imam Saadegh (as) (Saadegh means one who always says the truth). Imam Saadegh (as) was asked how people benefit from Mahdi (as) when they do not see or know him. He answered that "it would be similar to the benefit of sun on a cloudy day when the sun is behind the clouds". One may try to imagine how would it be without the sun even on a cloudy day... Edited by myahya
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Ron Webb Male Humanism Senior Member Joined: 30 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1398	Posted: 13 February 2008 at 1:14pm
	*Originally posted by martha* However, what is your belief about John. Did he not die? Of course he died. No mortal can live 2000 years. I am astonished that alleged monotheists are so ready to attribute superhuman powers to their holy men.
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rami Male Islam Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 01 March 2000 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2550	Posted: 13 February 2008 at 8:29pm
	Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem The opposite of that argument ron is that God cant give such a thing to a mortal man. Are you limiting what god can or cant do.
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Angel Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6626	Posted: 14 February 2008 at 2:28am
	*Originally posted by rami* Are you limiting what god can or cant do. I don't think ron is, but my 2 cents worth is that God did create us and there's only a few of us that can get to 120 yrs let alone live for 1000 or 2000 years anyway what happened to the topic about God and Allah in islam and Christianity ? Edited by Angel
	[IMG]http://www.mysmilie.de/smilies/engel/img/003.gif" />~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Ron Webb Male Humanism Senior Member Joined: 30 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1398	Posted: 14 February 2008 at 5:47am
	*Originally posted by rami* The opposite of that argument ron is that God cant give such a thing to a mortal man. God could make a mortal man into another god too, but monotheists must believe that He did not. At the very least, such an extraordinary event as conferring god-like powers on a man (or woman, e.g., the virgin birth of Christ) ought to warrant some specific mention in the Bible, and should not have to be inferred.
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poga Senior Member Joined: 03 January 2007 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 322	Posted: 14 February 2008 at 9:16am
	*Originally posted by Ron Webb* *Originally posted by rami* The opposite of that argument ron is that God cant give such a thing to a mortal man. God could make a mortal man into another god too, but monotheists must believe that He did not. At the very least, such an extraordinary event as conferring god-like powers on a man (or woman, e.g., the virgin birth of Christ) ought to warrant some specific mention in the Bible, and should not have to be inferred. hello ron you did not came by so i am here tell me ron who was the god who wrestle with job
	awal
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myahya Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 222	Posted: 14 February 2008 at 9:27am
	Ron, A monotheist never believes that a mortal is another God and can be another God. Otherwise, I would not call him or her a monotheist. But, do you really believe if a mortal lives for more than what you think is ordinary, then that mortal would be another God? Then I would say how small your God is ... !
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