Active TopicsActive Topics  Display List of Forum MembersMemberlist  CalendarCalendar  Search The ForumSearch  HelpHelp
  RegisterRegister  LoginLogin  Old ForumOld Forum  Twitter  Facebook
Advertisement:
         

Islamic INTRAfaith Dialogue
 IslamiCity Forum - Islamic Discussion Forum : Religion - Islam : Islamic INTRAfaith Dialogue
Message Icon Topic: Tafsir "Ahl al-Bayt" (33:33, 11:73) Post Reply Post New Topic
Page  of 2 Next >>
Author Message
rami
Male  Islam
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar
Senior Member

Joined: 01 March 2000
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2550
Quote rami Replybullet Topic: Tafsir "Ahl al-Bayt" (33:33, 11:73)
    Posted: 11 June 2005 at 2:38am

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Assalamu alaikum

Tafsir "Ahl al-Bayt" (33:33, 11:73)

GF Haddad
Sun, 29 Oct 2000 05:37:06 -0800


Salam `alaykum:

Regarding the primary evidence of the Book of Allah addressing the wives of
the Prophet (SAWS) (Sura 33) as "Ahl al-Bayt":

28. O Prophet! Say unto THY WIVES: If ye desire the world's life and its
adornment, come! I will content you and will release you with a fair
release;

29. But if ye desire Allah and His messenger and the abode of the
Hereafter, then lo! Allah hath prepared for the good among you an immense
reward.

30. O ye WIVES OF THE PROPHET! Whosoever of you committeth manifest
lewdness, the punishment for her will be doubled, and that is easy for
Allah.

31. And whosoever of you is submissive unto Allah and His messenger and
doeth right, We shall give her reward twice over, and We have prepared for
her a rich provision.

32. O ye WIVES OF THE PROPHET! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep
your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart
is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech.

33. And stay in your [F] houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment
of the Time of ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor due, and
obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness
far from you [M/F], O FOLK OF THE HOUSEHOLD, and cleanse you [M/F] with a
thorough cleansing.

34. And bear in mind that which is recited in your [F] houses of the
revelations of Allah and wisdom. Lo! Allah is Subtile, Aware.

It is clear that a switch from feminine to masculine with reference to the
address to Ahl al-Bayt means (1) the grammatical value of Ahl is masculine
and/or (2) at least one man is included with the feminine group being
addressed. The latter group would thus consist in the wives of the Prophet
(SAWS) *together* with the Mantle (`Itra): `Ali, Fatima, and their children.
This is confirmed by the majority of the scholars of Qur'anic commentary.

In addition, it includes the zakât-forbidden Muttalibi families of `Ali,
`Aqil, Ja`far, and `Abbas; while Haqqi in Ruh al-Bayan added Salman
al-Farisi according to the explicit hadith "Salmanu minnâ Ahl al-Bayt" as a
proof that the freedman is part of a man's household, while Shaykh Muhyi
al-Din Ibn `Arabi in his Futuhat (2:126-127) explained Ahl al-Bayt in the
Salman hadith as referring to each Muslim that acquires the attributes of
his Master i.e. the Prophet (SAWS). The latter sense is confirmed by the
narrations stating: "Do not come to me with your lineages on the Day of
Resurrection! My Family is every Godwary believer" and "Every Prophet has a
Family and carriage; my Family and carriage are the Believer" (âlî wa
`iddatî al-mu'min).

In conclusion, Ahl al-Bayt has many meanings according to context, and the
context of 33:33 is: first the wives of the Prophet (SAWS), then the wives
together with the noble `Itra, and Allah knows best.

Al-Razi, al-Tafsir al-Kabir (6:615): "Allah Most High quit using the
feminine pronoun in his address and turned to the masculine by saying
{liyudhhiba `ankum al-rijsa = to remove uncleanness far from you [masculine
plural]}, so as to include both the women of his [i.e. the Prophet's] house
and the men. Explanations have differed concerning the 'Ahl al-Bayt' but the
most appropriate and correct is to say they are his children and wives;
al-Hasan and al-Husayn being among them and `Ali being among them... due to
his cohabitation with the daughter of the Prophet (SAWS) and his close
companionship with the Prophet (SAWS)."

Al-Baghawi, Ma`alim al-Tanzil (2:393): "In this verse [Hud 73] there is a
proof that wives are part of Ahl al-Bayt. ... (3:428) He means by Ahl
al-Bayt [in 33:33] the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) because they are in his
house and this is the narration of Sa`id ibn Jubayr from Ibn `Abbas."

Al-Baydawi, Anwar al-Tanzil (4:374): "The Shi`a's claim that verse 33:33 is
specific to Fatima, `Ali, and their two sons - Allah be well-pleased with
them - ... and their adducing it as proof of their immunity from sin
(`ismat) and of the probative character of their consensus, is weak, because
restricting the meaning to them is not consistent with what precedes the
verse and what follows it. The thread of speech means that they are part of
the Ahl al-Bayt, not that others are not part of it also."

Al-Khazin, Lubab al-Ta'wil fi Ma`ani al-Tanzil (3:490): "They [Ahl al-Bayt]
are the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) because they are in his house." Then he
mentions the other two explanations, namely, that they are the `Itra or that
they are the families of `Ali, `Aqil, Ja`far, and al-`Abbas.

Al-Nasafi, Madarik al-Tanzil wa Haqa'iq al-Ta'wil (3:490): "There is in it
[verse 33:33] a proof that his wives are part of the Folk of his Household
(min ahli baytihi). He said 'from you [M] (`ankum)' because what is meant
are both the men and women of his family (âl) as indicated by {wa
yutahhirakum tathîran = and cleanse you [M/F] with a thorough cleansing}
from the filth of sins."

Al-Tabari, Tafsir (22:7) [after citing reports explaining Ahl al-Bayt to
mean the `Itra] and al-Wahidi, Asbab al-Nuzul (p. 299 #734): From `Ikrima
concerning 33:33: "It is not as they claim, but the verse was revealed
concerning the wives of the Prophet (SAWS)."

Al-Zamakhshari, Tafsir al-Kashshaf (2:212): "In this [33:33] there is an
explicit proof that the wives of the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him -
are among the People of his House (min Ahli Baytihi)."

Al-Shawkani, Fath al-Qadir (4:278-280) and al-Mubarakfuri, Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi
(9:48-49): "Ibn `Abbas, `Ikrima, `Ata', al-Kalbi, Muqatil, and Sa`id ibn
Jubayr said the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) are specifically meant [in
33:33], and by house are meant the houses of his wives as mentioned before
in the verses. While Abu Sa`id al-Khudri, Mujahid, and Qatada - it is also
related from al-Kalbi - said that those meant are specifically `Ali, Fatima,
al-Hasan, and al-Husayn. They adduced the fact that the pronouns are in the
masculine, but this was refuted by the fact that the noun Ahl is masculine
and therefore necessitates a masculine gender as in the verse [Hud 73].... A
third group stands midway between the two and includes both [the wives and
the `Itra]... A number of the verifying authorities consider this the most
correct explanation, among them al-Qurtubi, Ibn Kathir, and others."

Al-Jalalayn: "Ahl al-Bayt [in 33:33] i.e. the wives of the Prophet (SAWS)."

Al-Sawi, Hashiyat al-Jalalayn: "It was said the verse [33:33] is
comprehensive (`âmma) to mean the People of his House in the sense of his
dwelling and these are his wives, and the People of his House in the sense
of his lineage and these are his offspring."

Al-Suyuti, al-Durr al-Manthur (6:603): [after citing the narrations of the
`Itra] Ibn Sa`d narrated from `Urwa that he said: "Ahl al-Bayt [in 33:33]
means the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) and it was revealed in the house of
`A'isha."

Ibn al-Jawzi, Zad al-Masir fi `Ilm al-Tafsir (6:378): "Then He showed their
superiority over all women when He said: {You [feminine] are not like anyone
[masculine] of the women} (33:32). Al-Zajjaj [the philologist] said: 'He did
not say, "like any other woman" in the feminine, because the masculine form
denotes a general exclusion of both male and female [human beings], one and
all.'"

Ibn Juzayy, Tafsir (p. 561): "The Ahl al-Bayt of the Prophet (SAWS) are his
wives, his offspring, and his near relatives such as al-`Abbas, `Ali, and
all for whom receiving sadaqa is unlawful."

Al-Bukhari, Sahih: Hadith from Anas: The Prophet (SAWS) visited `A'isha and,
upon entering her house, said: "As-Salâmu `alaykum Ahl al-Bayt! wa
rahmatullah." Whereupon she responded: "Wa `alayka as-Salam wa rahmatullah,
how did you find your wives [ahlak]? May Allah bless you." Then he went
around to see all of his wives and said to them exactly what he had said to
`A'isha.

Al-Wahidi, al-Wajiz fi Tafsir al-Kitab al-`Aziz (2:865): "Ahl al-Bayt [in
33:33] meaning, the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) and the men [and women] of
the People of his House."

Al-Tha`alibi, Jawahir al-Hisan fi Tafsir al-Qur'an (2:212): "This verse [Hud
73] shows that the wife of a man is part of the People of his House (min
Ahli Baytihi)... and 'the House' in Surat al-Ahzab [33:33] refers to the
dwelling quarters [i.e. of the wives]."

Ibn Kathir, Tafsir (3:532) and al-Wahidi, Asbab al-Nuzul (p. 299 #733): From
Ibn `Abbas: "This verse [33:33] was revealed concerning the wives of the
Prophet (SAWS)."

Ibn Jama`a, Ghurar al-Tibyan fi Ma lam Yusamma fi al-Qur'an (p. 421 #1201)
and al-Suyuti in Mufhamat al-Aqran fi Mubhamat al-Qur'an: "Ahl al-Bayt in
verse 33 are the Prophet and his wives. It was also said they are `Ali,
Fatima, al-Hasan, and al-Husayn, and it was also said they are those for
whom sadaqa is unlawful [i.e. Âl `Aqil, Âl `Ali, Âl Ja`far, and Âl
al-`Abbas]."

Al-Zarkashi, al-Burhan fi `Ulum al-Qur'an (2:197): "The phrasing of the
Qur'an [in Surat al-Ahzab] shows that the wives are meant, that the verses
were revealed concerning them, and that it is impossible to exclude them
from the meaning of the verse. However, since others were to be included
with them it was said with the masculine gender: {Allah desires to remove
uncleanness far from you [masculine plural], O Folk of the Household}. It is
then known that this desire comprises all the Folk of the Household - both
male and female - as opposed to His saying {O wives of the Prophet} and it
shows that `Ali and Fatima are more [specifically] deserving of this
description ["Ahl al-Bayt"] than the wives."

Al-Jassas, Ahkam al-Qur'an (4:378-379): "It [the verse Hud 73] shows that
the wives of the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - are of the People of
his House (min Ahli Baytihi) because the angels names Ibrahim's wife as
being of the People of his House, and so has Allah Most High said when
addressing the wives of the Prophet - Alah bless and greet him - when He
said:... [33:33]. His wives are part of those meant because the beginning of
the address concerns them."

Abu al-Su`ud, Irshad al-`Aql al-Salim ila Mazaya al-Qur'an al-Karim (7:103):

"This [33:33], as you see, is an explicit verse and a radiant proof that the
wives of the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - are among the People of
his House (min Ahli Baytihi), ruling once and for all the invalidity of the
opinion of the Shi`is who narrow it to mean only Fatima, `Ali, and their two
sons - Allah be well-pleased with them. As for what they claim as their
proof [hadith of the Mantle], it only shows that they [the Four] are part of
Ahl al-Bayt, not that other than them are excluded."

WAllahu a`lam.

Hajj Gibril

--

GF Haddad

Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
IP IP Logged
Ali Zaki
 
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 10 May 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 217
Quote Ali Zaki Replybullet Posted: 13 June 2005 at 8:21am

Salam Rami,

Did I miss something?

It is obvious from posting these Tafsir that there is no consensus among the Sunni scholars regarding the meaning of the term "Ahly Al-Bayt" in Quran, 33:33. Was that the point of this post, or did I miss the point?

Salam

"The structure of faith is supported by four pillars endurance, conviction, justice and jihad."

Imam Ali (a.s.)
IP IP Logged
jello
 
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 27 April 2005
Location: Saudi Arabia
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 37
Quote jello Replybullet Posted: 14 June 2005 at 6:53am

Salaam

I just wanted to post quickly and say that it is obvious that there will be differences of opinion among scholars (Sunni or Shia) is quite common, whether it be in interpretation of Quran or other issues. I think anyone with various Sunni or Shia tafseer books can attest to this fact quite readily, because a verse can have more than a single dimension.

However, in the case of this Ayah, I believe one huge question that our Shia brothers will need to answer is whether Umm Salama (the wife of the Prophet who reported the Hadeeth-e-Kisa) is agreed upon as being a Shia by all Imaami Shia Aalims.

Great love for Jesus Led Me to Islam (http://www.geocities.com/hosseincaraballo)

http://www.lulu.com/content/213359.
IP IP Logged
Ali Zaki
 
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 10 May 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 217
Quote Ali Zaki Replybullet Posted: 14 June 2005 at 8:29am

Salam (and Welcome back) to Jello!

REGARDING UMM SALAMA

Was Umm Salam a Shia?

Do you mean "is she considered part of the Ahly Al'Bayt?", or " Did she support Imam Ali as the rightful successor to the prophet?"

In regards to the first question, she is not considered part of the Ahly Al'Bayt (although she is highly respected by the Shia, and she is considered a reliable narrator of Hadith from the Holy Messenger (a.s.)).

"

The verse of purification "Verily Allah only desires to ... " was revealed to the Prophet (s)
in the house of his wife Umm Salama (may Allah be pleased with her); the Prophet called
al-Hasan, al-Husayn, Fatima and ‘Ali, and he gathered them together and covered them
with the mantle. Then he said, "O Allah, these are my Ahl al-Bayt, so keep away every
impurity from the Ahl al-Bayt, and purify them with a perfect purification." Umm
Salama said, "Am I with them, O Apostle of Allah?" The Prophet (s) said, "You stay in
your place, and you are virtuous."
al-Tirmidhi, al-Sahih, volume 5, pages 351 and 663
al-Hakim al-Naysaburi, al­Mustadrak `ala al-Sahihayn, volume 2, page 416. He states
that it is sahih in accordance with the criteria of al-Bukhari
al-Suyuti, al-Durr al-Manthur, volume 5, page 197
The beginning of verse 33:33 and subsequent statements are addressed to the wives of the
Prophet (s) as is evident from the feminine pronouns used. However, in the verse of
purification, the gender changes to the masculine or mixed gender. This also shows that it
was an independent revelation addressed to different individuals.
Find
"The structure of faith is supported by four pillars endurance, conviction, justice and jihad."

Imam Ali (a.s.)
IP IP Logged
jello
 
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 27 April 2005
Location: Saudi Arabia
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 37
Quote jello Replybullet Posted: 14 June 2005 at 9:33am

Salaam

I wanted to ask one thing about this that is quite interesting:

Why call it the "Verse" of purification? It is obviously the last part of Ayah 33:33, so it is a portion of a verse. Also, why was it included in this series of Ayats, if the reason of revelation is altogether different?

Great love for Jesus Led Me to Islam (http://www.geocities.com/hosseincaraballo)

http://www.lulu.com/content/213359.
IP IP Logged
Ali Zaki
 
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 10 May 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 217
Quote Ali Zaki Replybullet Posted: 14 June 2005 at 9:57am

Salam Jello,

Before answering your question, I would like to ask for your explanation of the (for accuracy, maybe) "statement" of purification in light of the (agreed upon) fact that the Ahly Al'Bayt cannot refer only to the wives of the prophet (as the rest of the Ayat refers) because

"The beginning of verse 33:33 and subsequent statements are addressed to the wives of the Prophet (s) as is evident from the feminine pronouns used. However, in the verse ofpurification, the gender changes to the masculine or mixed gender. "

There are only two possible explanations of this that I can see, either,

1.) It is permissible in Arabic grammer to use a masculine pronoun to refer to a group of only women, or

2.) The term "Ahly Al-Bayt" is a group composed of both women AND MEN.

So, Jello, which explanation do you favor? (or is there an alternate explanation)

"The structure of faith is supported by four pillars endurance, conviction, justice and jihad."

Imam Ali (a.s.)
IP IP Logged
jello
 
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 27 April 2005
Location: Saudi Arabia
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 37
Quote jello Replybullet Posted: 14 June 2005 at 10:42am

Salaa alaykum.

The group being refered to in this case as Ahl-ul-Bayt comprises of both men and women. The women are the wives of the Prophet (SAW), and the man is the Prophet (SAW) himself, since in any household, the "ahl" is the man plus his wives, and in Arabic if there is one man among a group of women, the proper pronoun becomes the masculine one. Thus, it conforms to Arabic grammar without any problem.

Great love for Jesus Led Me to Islam (http://www.geocities.com/hosseincaraballo)

http://www.lulu.com/content/213359.
IP IP Logged
Ali Zaki
 
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 10 May 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 217
Quote Ali Zaki Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2005 at 7:38am

Salam Jello,

You are correct regarding your point (and if I would have read through all the conflicting tafseer above, I would have already seen it.) regarding your proposed "third" explanation.

I find it amazing that all of these various tafseer come from one school of though (i.e., Sunni scholars). Do the Sunni scholars consider this verse of so little importance that they do not make any effort to come to an agreement on it? I think the tafseer of this verse clearly illustrates the need in our Umma today for more leadership among the Ulama.

These tafsir also illustrate why the Shia scholars always return to the hadith from the Ahly Al'Bayt to explain Quran. In fact, the Holy Messenger (a.s.) has already told us that these two are joined together and "will not part from eachother" (in the famous hadith of the "Two Weighty Things"). However, if our Sunni brothers cannot even agree on the identity of the "purified ones", then they will not be able to rely on them. Particulary if the scholar believes that the "purified ones" includes the (real) Ahly Al'Bayt AND the wives of the prophet, because some of the wives of the prophet openly fought against some members of the Ahly Al'Bayt.

Salam

"The structure of faith is supported by four pillars endurance, conviction, justice and jihad."

Imam Ali (a.s.)
IP IP Logged
Page  of 2 Next >>
Post Reply Post New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Disclaimer:
The opinions expressed herein contain positions and viewpoints that are not necessarily those of IslamiCity. This forum is offered to stimulate dialogue and discussion in our continuing mission of being an educational organization.
If there is any issue with any of the postings please email to icforum at islamicity.com or if you are a forum's member you can use the report button.

Note: The 99 names of Allah avatars are courtesy of www.arthafez.com

Advertisement:



Sponsored by:
Islamicity Membership Program:
IslamiCity Donation Program  http://www.islamicity.com/Donate
IslamiCity Arabic eLearning http://www.islamiCity.com/ArabAcademy
Complete Domain & Hosting Solutions www.icDomain.com
Home for Muslim Tunes www.icTunes.com
Islamic Video Collections www.islamiTV.com
IslamiCity Marriage Site www.icMarriage.com