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rami
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![]() Topic: Tafsir "Ahl al-Bayt" (33:33, 11:73)Posted: 11 June 2005 at 2:38am |
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheemAssalamu alaikumTafsir "Ahl al-Bayt" (33:33, 11:73)
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Ali Zaki
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![]() Posted: 13 June 2005 at 8:21am |
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Salam Rami, Did I miss something? It is obvious from posting these Tafsir that there is no consensus among the Sunni scholars regarding the meaning of the term "Ahly Al-Bayt" in Quran, 33:33. Was that the point of this post, or did I miss the point? Salam |
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![]() Posted: 14 June 2005 at 6:53am |
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Salaam I just wanted to post quickly and say that it is obvious that there will be differences of opinion among scholars (Sunni or Shia) is quite common, whether it be in interpretation of Quran or other issues. I think anyone with various Sunni or Shia tafseer books can attest to this fact quite readily, because a verse can have more than a single dimension. However, in the case of this Ayah, I believe one huge question that our Shia brothers will need to answer is whether Umm Salama (the wife of the Prophet who reported the Hadeeth-e-Kisa) is agreed upon as being a Shia by all Imaami Shia Aalims. |
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Ali Zaki
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![]() Posted: 14 June 2005 at 8:29am |
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Salam (and Welcome back) to Jello! REGARDING UMM SALAMA Was Umm Salam a Shia? Do you mean "is she considered part of the Ahly Al'Bayt?", or " Did she support Imam Ali as the rightful successor to the prophet?" In regards to the first question, she is not considered part of the Ahly Al'Bayt (although she is highly respected by the Shia, and she is considered a reliable narrator of Hadith from the Holy Messenger (a.s.)). " |
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![]() Posted: 14 June 2005 at 9:33am |
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Salaam I wanted to ask one thing about this that is quite interesting: Why call it the "Verse" of purification? It is obviously the last part of Ayah 33:33, so it is a portion of a verse. Also, why was it included in this series of Ayats, if the reason of revelation is altogether different? |
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Ali Zaki
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![]() Posted: 14 June 2005 at 9:57am |
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Salam Jello, Before answering your question, I would like to ask for your explanation of the (for accuracy, maybe) "statement" of purification in light of the (agreed upon) fact that the Ahly Al'Bayt cannot refer only to the wives of the prophet (as the rest of the Ayat refers) because " |
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jello
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![]() Posted: 14 June 2005 at 10:42am |
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Salaa alaykum. The group being refered to in this case as Ahl-ul-Bayt comprises of both men and women. The women are the wives of the Prophet (SAW), and the man is the Prophet (SAW) himself, since in any household, the "ahl" is the man plus his wives, and in Arabic if there is one man among a group of women, the proper pronoun becomes the masculine one. Thus, it conforms to Arabic grammar without any problem. |
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Ali Zaki
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![]() Posted: 15 June 2005 at 7:38am |
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Salam Jello, You are correct regarding your point (and if I would have read through all the conflicting tafseer above, I would have already seen it.) regarding your proposed "third" explanation. I find it amazing that all of these various tafseer come from one school of though (i.e., Sunni scholars). Do the Sunni scholars consider this verse of so little importance that they do not make any effort to come to an agreement on it? I think the tafseer of this verse clearly illustrates the need in our Umma today for more leadership among the Ulama. These tafsir also illustrate why the Shia scholars always return to the hadith from the Ahly Al'Bayt to explain Quran. In fact, the Holy Messenger (a.s.) has already told us that these two are joined together and "will not part from eachother" (in the famous hadith of the "Two Weighty Things"). However, if our Sunni brothers cannot even agree on the identity of the "purified ones", then they will not be able to rely on them. Particulary if the scholar believes that the "purified ones" includes the (real) Ahly Al'Bayt AND the wives of the prophet, because some of the wives of the prophet openly fought against some members of the Ahly Al'Bayt. Salam |
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